Shooting at Northern Illinois University

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Also, to toss one more pebble into the ripple, the idea that concealed campus carry might "scare" a would-be assailant from carrying out his craziness may be naive. Those types seem to like going out in a "blaze of glory" and often just turn the gun on themselves, anyway, so why would they care if the final bullet came from another gun? They'll still have had their rampage, will get their "fame" and won't have to face the consequences legally. So sure, they may get mowed down a little quicker if a couple of quick-draws in the 3rd row stand up and catch him in the chest, but that doesn't mean he won't still kick those doors in, fully armed and guns blazing randomly and try to do as much damage as he can before the gunfire he might now anticipate starts.

Exactly.

Students are expected to have one hand on their pen and the other on their gun at all times. These would-be assailants should be very afraid. Not.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Exactly.

Students are expected to have one hand on their pen and the other on their gun at all times. These would-be assailants should be very afraid. Not.

I think this is totally unfounded. Who has said anything about what would be expected of students? People simply desire to use the rights they have off-campus to defend themselves on campus. I don't keep a gun by my bed for a community-wide deterrent effect. I do it to deter individual criminals who might seek to harm me or my loved ones. I feel the same about carry on campus.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I think this is totally unfounded. Who has said anything about what would be expected of students? People simply desire to use the rights they have off-campus to defend themselves on campus. I don't keep a gun by my bed for a community-wide deterrent effect. I do it to deter individual criminals who might seek to harm me or my loved ones. I feel the same about carry on campus.

(I was being sarcastic but anyway)

Gun access without changed expectations. Yeah, this is definitely a theoretical discussion.

Your gun by your bed doesn't deter individual criminals unless you put "I have a gun by my bed" on every window and door. But you are expected to always be aware of where your gun is, know what to do with it, and be prepared to do something with it if need be. Right?

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

(I was being sarcastic but anyway)

Gun access without changed expectations. Yeah, this is definitely a theoretical discussion.

Your gun by your bed doesn't deter individual criminals unless you put "I have a gun by my bed" on every window and door. But you are expected to always be aware of where your gun is, know what to do with it, and be prepared to do something with it if need be. Right?

Exactly. So is the average person who legally carries their gun to Wal-Mart. So would the licensed student who conceals his gun when going on campus.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Exactly. So is the average person who legally carries their gun to Wal-Mart. So would the licensed student who conceals his gun when going on campus.

Ok.