Less popular sororities

[srmom]

I have a question - what if there is a situation where you have a "top" house who has taken a lesser pledge class (I think the term that the fraternities use is, "There are a lot of legacies in that pledge class.") Do you think that this can detrimentally effect the status of being on "top"?

[SWTXBelle]

I think that it is an unfortunate truth that while one bad pledge class can sink a lower-status sorority, it really won't affect a higher-status one. I can think of one pledge of the top sorority on my campus who we cut - she was fat, ugly and rude. Her nickname was "Ape" - she had the whole unibrow thing working. But her being a member of the top sorority didn't hurt her group at all - she was indeed a legacy, and they were strong enough (in terms of numbers) to be able to absorb a few not-so-great pledges. 6 "bad" pledges don't show up in a pledge class of 30 - 40 the way they do in one of 10 - 15.


eta - It's a shame Tennessee is no longer in the south. I'll inform my APH . . . .

[Just interested]

No one is proud that this still happens on campuses but it does and unfortunately it is going to take a top group on a campus with enough guts to say "enough" and break this cycle. It's called follow the leader.

[skylark]

Originally Posted by Just interested

No one is proud that this still happens on campuses but it does and unfortunately it is going to take a top group on a campus with enough guts to say "enough" and break this cycle. It's called follow the leader.

I agree. It is just too bad that too many guys like EW are following instead of leading.

[skylark]

Holy effing crap EW. And to think I was giving you a little credit in this thread because, like it or not, men do play a more important role then we'd like to admit in the recruitment process.

But bringing the thread back to race? Either (A) southern greeks truly are all racist elitists (Like EW) or (B) southern greeks need to stop pledging loud-mouthed racist elitists like you in order to evolve into what brotherhood and sisterhood is supposed to stand for.

I'm all for internet-anonymity most of the time, but when it allows a racist pig like EW to feel comfortable enough to share his views about membership recruitment in order to WARN women that admitting minorities could be the downfall of their chapter... that's where I tend to draw the line. At some point, sharing your out-dated opinions becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and if you really cared about being a part of society that thought of people in terms other than race, you'd keep these thoughts to yourself and stand up to the racist bastards around you who still think it is okay to judge others based on their race.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by skylark

Holy effing crap EW. And to think I was giving you a little credit in this thread because, like it or not, men do play a more important role then we'd like to admit in the recruitment process.

But bringing the thread back to race? Either (A) southern greeks truly are all racist elitists (Like EW) or (B) southern greeks need to stop pledging loud-mouthed racist elitists like you in order to evolve into what brotherhood and sisterhood is supposed to stand for.

I'm all for internet-anonymity most of the time, but when it allows a racist pig like EW to feel comfortable enough to share his views about membership recruitment in order to WARN women that admitting minorities could be the downfall of their chapter... that's where I tend to draw the line. At some point, sharing your out-dated opinions becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and if you really cared about being a part of society that thought of people in terms other than race, you'd keep these thoughts to yourself and stand up to the racist bastards around you who still think it is okay to judge others based on their race.

I thought he was just giving an account of what happened but his commentary does seem like he's justifying it all.

This makes his comments in that locked "south" thread ironic. However, I hope this thread doesn't suffer the same fate.

[LaneSig]

//hijack// (Not that this whole thread is not about to be completely hijacked, doused in flames, and left burning on the side of the road.)//

I am begging all GCers not to judge all people who are from Arkansas, or like me went to school in Arkansas, by this person. Most of us are fairly nice people who live in the 21st Century, read newspapers, and know that there is a whole wide world beyond our own backyards.

Thank you.

[DSTCHAOS]

So much for race being a card that doesn't matter as long as people are of a certain background and uphold certain values and standards.

[skylark]

^^ are you for real?!

ETA: Why not just wikipedia her so you can realize you've been on a different planet for the last 5-10 years.

[skylark]

The attitude I got from his threads is that a chapter that made "bad" recruitment decisions (which he's now come out and said were pledging minorities) deserved the downfall that was a result. If he wants to clarify his posts, I'll hear it... but I think if you re-read his posts you'll see that he does not think that the status quo should change at all. In fact, I think he praises it in the guise of "tradition."

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by skylark

If he wants to clarify his posts, I'll hear it... but I think if you re-read his posts you'll see that he does not think that the status quo should change at all. In fact, I think he praises it in the guise of "tradition."

If that is true, he is officially a liar based on what he typed to me in that other thread.

Of course it might be a misunderstanding.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by skylark

The attitude I got from his threads is that a chapter that made "bad" recruitment decisions (which he's now come out and said were pledging minorities) deserved the downfall that was a result. If he wants to clarify his posts, I'll hear it... but I think if you re-read his posts you'll see that he does not think that the status quo should change at all. In fact, I think he praises it in the guise of "tradition."

No...this I would think is the downfall..

Poor traditions and poor connections. Because it was a fairly young chapter (relatively...as it's probably older than most of y'alls chapters) it didn't have the tradition or connections. It made poor rush decisions previous as they were always known for being not as good...but they had the numbers to maintain. After this decision, which obviously affected the fraternities...and the fraternities responded, it went down hill from there. Now it survives on the fact that somewhere between 700-800 girls go through Arkansas rush every year.

I'm not googling to see who Beyonce Knowles...I'd rather not know. I hate MTV.

[skylark]

To everyone else: has EW said that he is a current college student? Because I am finding it almost unbelievable that a 18-22 year old in this country could not know who Beyonce is. I'm guessing you would have to never watch any TV, including the news, or any magazines, or talk to anyone who is at all clued in to the media.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by skylark

To everyone else: has EW said that he is a current college student? Because I am finding it almost unbelievable that a 18-22 year old in this country could not know who Beyonce is. I'm guessing you would have to never watch any TV, including the news, or any magazines, or talk to anyone who is at all clued in to the media.

IIRC, EW transferred to or from Arkansas, and he was not an active member of the Kappa Sigma chapter there.

[DSTCHAOS]

Why does the percentage of minorities matter for this topic, EW?

Anyway, Univ of Arkansas is really focused on minority recruitment.


Minority Student Enrollments, Fall2006

American Indian or Alaskan Native 328

Black, non-Hispanic 946

Asian or Pacific Islander 446

Hispanic 447

Total UA Minority Students 2,167

International Students 951

Ethnicity Not Available 462

Source: Institutional Research UA web site, Quick Facts -- Students

http://www.uark.edu/admin/vcacsey/AD...R%20report.pdf.

Total Student ENROLLMENT
Full-time:
6,078 men/5,420 women
Part-time:
1,518 men/1,496 women
Graduate:
1,273 men/1,103 women