Ethical Question

jon1856 · #1 02-09-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

As you said, if and only if factual info is involved, but how long do we/they think is will come out to soon.

There should be no one turning against another when they will shoot themselves in the foot.

Could it make all GLOs look bad, of course it could, but it could also show that GLOs will not stand by and see this happen, but not by snitching which would would look bad for them. This too would show a bad light also.

Snitching?
No; perhaps in this case it is showing that GLO's can do the right thing.
Be adult, see the larger picture and step up to the plate.

SWTXBelle · #2 02-09-2008, 04:21 PM

DROLE!!!!!! Need a translation, please.

eta - "snitching"? What's next - cooties??

AOII Angel · #3 02-09-2008, 04:33 PM

If this chapter is openly doing things that are against the rules of the IFC and University, then take credible evidence to your administration to prevent the activities. I think members of the greek community do have a responsibility to assure that other members of IFC/PHC are safe from hazing. If you have no evidence that the group is acting illegally (since Hazing is illegal), you cannot expect your administration to act simply on rumor. Just because this group of guys may have shady pasts doesn't mean that they will assuredly be up to no good. Hard evidence is what you need, otherwise someone could make up rumors about Sigma Nu and get you kicked off campus too!

jon1856 · #4 02-09-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

DROLE!!!!!! Need a translation, please.

eta - "snitching"? What's next - cooties??

What is the problem??????

SNBullet · #5 02-10-2008, 04:30 AM

We already told their national about them. We informed then that a portion of the brotherhood would not be eligible under college rules. But the natioanl has sided with them and made it very clear that they will do so in the future.

Their big infraction so far is supplying freshman with rush literature, and advertising in freshman dorms, which is against college policy. You must be a sophomore in good standing to pledge a fraternity and they are not allowed to advertise to freshman

SWTXBelle · #6 02-10-2008, 10:57 AM

Well, that's easy - if they are in violation of IFC or college rules, THAT should be reported to the proper authorities. But I have to say - that particular infraction doesn't make all Greeks look bad.

33girl · #7 02-11-2008, 11:30 AM

How do the sororities feel about them?

If Panhellenic passes a rule saying that no sororities can mix w/ them because they're violating college policies, that might do the trick.

Of course, if the sororities all like them, this won't work because they'll just party w/ them "unofficially" (i.e. go to their house, just not have mixers).

RU OX Alum · #8 02-11-2008, 11:48 AM

it would be highly unethical for you to try to make them fail

it would be likewise unethical for IFC or the University to intercede

Tom Earp · #9 02-10-2008, 10:59 AM

If this is the biggest infraction then it is not as bad as you intimated.

If the schools has regulations, then why have they not said something to them about it? Why hasn't the IFC done something and warned them?

This would seem to be very obvious to anyone with out looking to hard at this infraction.

SWTXBelle · #10 02-10-2008, 11:18 AM

I AGREE WITH TOM (alert the media).

You made it sound like they were throwing drunken orgies and sacrificing small animals. Giving literature to freshmen? Ummm . . .report to IFC.

AOII Angel · #11 02-10-2008, 01:00 PM

Check with IFC...new colonies are often given extra help to make the colony a success. For all you know, they may have been given permission to advertise to the freshmen. If not, the worst they'll get is a rush infraction for that "horrible" offense! Give them a chance to get off the ground!!

jon1856 · #12 02-10-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SNBullet

We already told their national about them. We informed then that a portion of the brotherhood would not be eligible under college rules. But the national has sided with them and made it very clear that they will do so in the future.

Their big infraction so far is supplying freshman with rush literature, and advertising in freshman dorms, which is against college policy. You must be a sophomore in good standing to pledge a fraternity and they are not allowed to advertise to freshman

Well you did what you could and what you believed to be the right thing.

Now, just step back and let the chips fall.

And work with your chapter and the rest of the GLO's on campus to make
the Greeks, in total, look good.

And if the chapter in question has a problem or two, then let you school and National work it out or fix it.

SNBullet · #13 02-10-2008, 02:29 PM

i really didnt want to go into the personal infractions of the individual brothers, but there is a member with a record with the town for assault, and the other has a judicial record with the college for assaulting a Campus police officer. Both of these things prevent them from joining any fraternity. Both of these guys hold the top two positions in the colony. since they are not a full fraternity now, its not a problem, but i find it hard the believe that the two guys instrumental in founding the colony are going to walk away when they get rechartered.

AOII Angel · #14 02-10-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SNBullet

i really didnt want to go into the personal infractions of the individual brothers, but there is a member with a record with the town for assault, and the other has a judicial record with the college for assaulting a Campus police officer. Both of these things prevent them from joining any fraternity. Both of these guys hold the top two positions in the colony. since they are not a full fraternity now, its not a problem, but i find it hard the believe that the two guys instrumental in founding the colony are going to walk away when they get rechartered.

Just be glad that they aren't in your fraternity and leave it at that! If they didn't learn their lessons with their arrests and IFC isn't enforcing the rule, there is nothing you can do to stop the inevitable down fall of the colony. Unfortunately, this may have an adverse effect on the greek community, but then again, you have plenty to spin if your story is true.

jon1856 · #15 02-10-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SNBullet

i really didn't want to go into the personal infractions of the individual brothers, but there is a member with a record with the town for assault, and the other has a judicial record with the college for assaulting a Campus police officer. Both of these things prevent them from joining any fraternity. Both of these guys hold the top two positions in the colony. since they are not a full fraternity now, its not a problem, but i find it hard the believe that the two guys instrumental in founding the colony are going to walk away when they get rechartered.

Not a good start for a plank-holder.
However, at this point, it is now up to IFC (If they have any say in this at all), the school and National.

Having been involved in one way or another in two charterings, if what you say is even close to be true I would find it interesting if National is not giving this a close review.