Ethical Question

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Tom;
As we have "seen" here all too often, and what maybe to case at this campus, one bad eggs can damage if not wreak the whole container.

I do agree with several of the other posters that if one were to do this, make sure that the report is based on real, factual, current data rather than IMHO, POV, rumors et al.

As you said, if and only if factual info is involved, but how long do we/they think is will come out to soon.

There should be no one turning against another when they will shoot themselves in the foot.

Could it make all GLOs look bad, of course it could, but it could also show that GLOs will not stand by and see this happen, but not by snitching which would would look bad for them. This too would show a bad light also.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

As you said, if and only if factual info is involved, but how long do we/they think is will come out to soon.

There should be no one turning against another when they will shoot themselves in the foot.

Could it make all GLOs look bad, of course it could, but it could also show that GLOs will not stand by and see this happen, but not by snitching which would would look bad for them. This too would show a bad light also.

Snitching?
No; perhaps in this case it is showing that GLO's can do the right thing.
Be adult, see the larger picture and step up to the plate.

[SWTXBelle]

DROLE!!!!!! Need a translation, please.



eta - "snitching"? What's next - cooties??

[AOII Angel]

If this chapter is openly doing things that are against the rules of the IFC and University, then take credible evidence to your administration to prevent the activities. I think members of the greek community do have a responsibility to assure that other members of IFC/PHC are safe from hazing. If you have no evidence that the group is acting illegally (since Hazing is illegal), you cannot expect your administration to act simply on rumor. Just because this group of guys may have shady pasts doesn't mean that they will assuredly be up to no good. Hard evidence is what you need, otherwise someone could make up rumors about Sigma Nu and get you kicked off campus too!

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

DROLE!!!!!! Need a translation, please.



eta - "snitching"? What's next - cooties??

What is the problem??????

[SNBullet]

We already told their national about them. We informed then that a portion of the brotherhood would not be eligible under college rules. But the natioanl has sided with them and made it very clear that they will do so in the future.

Their big infraction so far is supplying freshman with rush literature, and advertising in freshman dorms, which is against college policy. You must be a sophomore in good standing to pledge a fraternity and they are not allowed to advertise to freshman

[SWTXBelle]

Well, that's easy - if they are in violation of IFC or college rules, THAT should be reported to the proper authorities. But I have to say - that particular infraction doesn't make all Greeks look bad.

[33girl]

How do the sororities feel about them?

If Panhellenic passes a rule saying that no sororities can mix w/ them because they're violating college policies, that might do the trick.

Of course, if the sororities all like them, this won't work because they'll just party w/ them "unofficially" (i.e. go to their house, just not have mixers).

[Tom Earp]

If this is the biggest infraction then it is not as bad as you intimated.

If the schools has regulations, then why have they not said something to them about it? Why hasn't the IFC done something and warned them?

This would seem to be very obvious to anyone with out looking to hard at this infraction.

[SWTXBelle]

I AGREE WITH TOM (alert the media).

You made it sound like they were throwing drunken orgies and sacrificing small animals. Giving literature to freshmen? Ummm . . .report to IFC.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by SNBullet

We already told their national about them. We informed then that a portion of the brotherhood would not be eligible under college rules. But the national has sided with them and made it very clear that they will do so in the future.

Their big infraction so far is supplying freshman with rush literature, and advertising in freshman dorms, which is against college policy. You must be a sophomore in good standing to pledge a fraternity and they are not allowed to advertise to freshman

Well you did what you could and what you believed to be the right thing.

Now, just step back and let the chips fall.

And work with your chapter and the rest of the GLO's on campus to make
the Greeks, in total, look good.

And if the chapter in question has a problem or two, then let you school and National work it out or fix it.

[SNBullet]

i really didnt want to go into the personal infractions of the individual brothers, but there is a member with a record with the town for assault, and the other has a judicial record with the college for assaulting a Campus police officer. Both of these things prevent them from joining any fraternity. Both of these guys hold the top two positions in the colony. since they are not a full fraternity now, its not a problem, but i find it hard the believe that the two guys instrumental in founding the colony are going to walk away when they get rechartered.

Originally Posted by SNBullet

We already told their national about them. We informed then that a portion of the brotherhood would not be eligible under college rules. But the natioanl has sided with them and made it very clear that they will do so in the future.

Here's something to ponder that others haven't brought up. It appears that the national is going to back them up no matter what (obviously, major mess ups aside). So, there could be two possible outcomes. They charter with nationals and IFC accepts them or they charter with nationals and IFC rejects them and they become an off campus chapter. Which would you rather have? (Yes, I know neither might be a better option). At least if they are part of IFC, then there can be some control or attempt to control them. If they are off campus then there is no IFC/university control and they are pretty much free to do as they please. Yes, they will have national but the national won't be there to monitor what they do. Additionaly, being rejected by IFC might cause even more tension between them and the rest of the Greek system and that could lead to increased ugliness. The best bet might be for the IFC/school to continue and try to work with them and try get them in the right direction. I would think not giving them an IFC charter should be a last resort.

[SNBullet]

actually, if IFC doesnt recognize them, and the become an off campus chapter, they would be dead. Right now, campus security protects us from the local cops, who really hate us. If they were off campus, then they would be at the mercy of local boro, who would basically live on their doorstep.