All locals going national at once

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

I wouldn't hold my breath about Davidson.

Definitely not. Many women alumnae also vehemently oppose sororities. I don't think it'll ever happen there. Also I wonder how NPCs would react to Davidson's guaranteed self-selection. I know that most of the fraternities opposed it and many left campus when this was instituted in the 1970s, but many later returned.

Sewanee, maybe so, but it's my understanding from other GC threads that the locals there don't want national affiliation/supervision.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Also I wonder how NPCs would react to Davidson's guaranteed self-selection..

In layman's terms, what is that?

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

In layman's terms, what is that?

Any person going through Davidson's fraternity or eating house recruitment (there are both all-women and co-ed eating houses) are guaranteed their choice of where to join. Basically if a person wants to join that group, they can. The potential new members rank their choices and membership is decided by lottery. My understanding is that you cannot be denied membership by the members of the group you want to join. Self-selection instead of mutual selection You may not get what you want in the lottery, however.

Of course students at Davidson might be able to comment on the theory vs. practice of this rule.

When the rule was implemented in 1971, many of the fraternities decided to close and at least a few began operating off-campus without school recognition. I think they are all now officially recognized and abiding by the self-selection rule. The eating houses obviously never had this issue.

Actually looking at the website it appears that the co-ed eating house folded...

[scbelle]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Any person going through Davidson's fraternity or eating house recruitment (there are both all-women and co-ed eating houses) are guaranteed their choice of where to join. Basically if a person wants to join that group, they can. The potential new members rank their choices and membership is decided by lottery. My understanding is that you cannot be denied membership by the members of the group you want to join. Self-selection instead of mutual selection You may not get what you want in the lottery, however.

Of course students at Davidson might be able to comment on the theory vs. practice of this rule.

When the rule was implemented in 1971, many of the fraternities decided to close and at least a few began operating off-campus without school recognition. I think they are all now officially recognized and abiding by the self-selection rule. The eating houses obviously never had this issue.

Actually looking at the website it appears that the co-ed eating house folded...

I went to Davidson, and yes, that is the way selection for eating houses is determined. In the fall, freshmen visit the eating houses, kind of like an Open House. Then in January, women who want to join rank their preferences. Once the cards are in, a lottery determines where a woman will join. The eating house has no say as to who will or will not be a member.

I do not remember fraternity rules, but I'm pretty sure when I was there that bids were given like any other campus. I just remember that my then-boyfriend so badly wanted to join SigEp, but he didn't receive a bid. He did get one from PiKA, though. I had a good friend from our high school in the SigEp house and I remember him telling me that he didn't want the boy in his fraternity... whether that had anything to do with it or not, I don't know. But bids are usually given out starting around October, and that goes on for awhile... the "rush" time is a whole semester. So that doesn't make sense with a self-selection process to me.

[alum]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Sewanee, maybe so, but it's my understanding from other GC threads that the locals there don't want national affiliation/supervision.

But would Sewanee locals have a choice if the administration said they had to affiliate with a national or disband? With liability risk so much higher with locals, wasn't that why WFU admin demanded the switch to all nationals?

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by alum

But would Sewanee locals have a choice if the administration said they had to affiliate with a national or disband? With liability risk so much higher with locals, wasn't that why WFU admin demanded the switch to all nationals?

I guess they wouldn't. I know that KD is currently at Sewanee--I'm not sure if they colonized outright or took in a local. At one time the rumor was heard on GC that they were going to be required to go national, but it apparently never happened (or maybe they were never actually required to). There is a really old thread about this:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...hlight=sewanee

I agree with you re: liability concerns. I also wonder if KD's national resources haven't shocked and awed the other groups there. LOL. Who knows?