Heath Ledger is dead

[Little32]

Originally Posted by abaici

I'm really shocked and sad. I'm shocked that I'm so sad. I really liked him and thought he had alot of potential, especially after Brokeback Mountain. His performance was amazing.

I feel the same way. I am saddened and, at the same time, surprised that this has touched me in this way (Celebrity deaths don't general upset me too much). But with this, I am like looking up old articles, watching old interviews...I guess looking for something that makes this make sense.
I feel like, in some weird way, I grew up with this guy and I admired his talent. This is really tragic, whatever the circumstances.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by Little32

I feel the same way. I am saddened and, at the same time, surprised that this has touched me in this way (Celebrity deaths don't general upset me too much).

Ditto over here. I think it hit me so hard that I found out just a couple hours after his body was even found. I'm shocked that it got to the news so fast, but also knowing that he was found just a couple hours before rocked me, like he was just right there....

[ZTABullwinkle]

And this gets even worse...I hate to quote tmz.com (but I haven't found a link on MSNBC or CNN (although I have heard it on MSNBC).

There is speculation that illegal drugs have been found in his apartment, and are being tested by the NYPD.

LINK

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Key word: "allegedly"

Uh huh.....

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ZTABullwinkle

And this gets even worse...I hate to quote tmz.com (but I haven't found a link on MSNBC or CNN (although I have heard it on MSNBC).

There is speculation that illegal drugs have been found in his apartment, and are being tested by the NYPD.

LINK

And the search for an answer continues.

I hope no one (i.e. fans, GCers, etc.) gets up in arms over these speculations and investigations. His family and friends are really the only ones who should be so emotionally invested in this search for an answer. You never 100% know what people do when they aren't around you or what they're capable of. All we know is that there are accidental and intentional deaths from substances.

[DaemonSeid]

Speculation as to why some people are taking this so hard:

when these people die young...it hurts because some of them go when they are about to really make it big in whatever it is that they do and usually when they die it's 'mysterious' or a 'tragic' manner and many of us are really unsettled because there is that untapped potential they had right at the point of death especially when they are close in age.

For instance...Bruce Lee and his son Brandon, were on the verge of mainstream stardom....

Aaliyah and left Eye also died in tragic accidents

Marilyn Monroe and Anna Nicole Smith are another 2 to come to mind...

Sorry I can't include Tupac and Biggie Smalls because IMO their deaths were senseless...however a lot of people were affected

There are a few others I can't name right off the bat but this is what comes to my mind when you have tragic deaths of celebs that right when they are about to hit it big are snatched from us....

Does that make sense?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Does that make sense?

For whatever question you thought you were answering. It certainly wasn't anything I posed.

I was disturbed by Bruce (I was going to marry him but I didn't know he had already passed by the time I started watching his movies when I was little )and Brandon Lee's deaths, as well as Aaliyah's. But that has more to do with the randomness of tragic accidents versus people who overdose or were involved in dangerous substances. Not saying one is sad and the other isn't, or that some people deserve to die, but causes of death are different and some are more "random and unexpected" than others.

Also not to be confused with people getting up in arms over the speculations and investigations of these deaths. As if they knew these people well enough to know what they were or were not involved in. And as if these people are somehow above speculations and investigations.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

And as if these people are somehow above speculations and investigations.

Well that's what happens when Hollywood "creates" an image. It makes impressions on people and they aren't usually the right ones. It isn't until they make completes arses of themselves (Brittany) or just drop dead that people start hearing "the other side" of that person's life.

Sometimes unless you really truly know that person do you have the story.

For instance....when Tupac died, I wasn't surprised....we went to the same high school for one year and really was nothing more than an annoying prick and nothing like the person we see.......then again...he went from annoying to super annoying...yet and still we have younger kids who idolize him because he was supposed to be this....great thinker, philosophical rapper......please...You want an idea what kind of person her was?

Watch Juice...that will put you in the ballpark.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

For instance....when Tupac died, I wasn't surprised....we went to the same high school for one year and really was nothing more than an annoying prick and nothing like the person we see.......then again...he went from annoying to super annoying...yet and still we have younger kids who idolize him because he was supposed to be this....great thinker, philosophical rapper......please...You want an idea what kind of person her was?

Watch Juice...that will put you in the ballpark.

I also don't like it when people do what you're doing.

You went to high school with Tupac for a year. Did you really know him, though? Is the high school Tupac the same as the grown man Tupac?

He may not have been a great thinker or a philosphical PERSON but his poems and lyrics are usually what Michael Eric Dyson and others highlight.

"Juice" is a movie and what you "knew" of Tupac was probably a surface level presentation just as most of our public interactions are.

What you typed is as silly as when people talk about how noncelebs were when they were in high school: "oh you think so-and-so is cute or cool NOW...but 15 years ago in high school...shoooot...he wore glasses, braces, and was an annoying dork...I know the real so-and-so because HE went to high school with me...."

[OOhsoflyDELTA#9]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I also don't like it when people do what you're doing.

You went to high school with Tupac for a year. Did you really know him, though? Is the high school Tupac the same as the grown man Tupac?

He may not have been a great thinker or a philosphical PERSON but his poems and lyrics are usually what Michael Eric Dyson and others highlight.

"Juice" is a movie and what you "knew" of Tupac was probably a surface level presentation just as most of our public interactions are.

What you typed is as silly as when people talk about how noncelebs were when they were in high school: "oh you think so-and-so is cute or cool NOW...but 15 years ago in high school...shoooot...he wore glasses, braces, and was an annoying dork...I know the real so-and-so because HE went to high school with me...."

I agree. If someone from West Charlotte Class of 93 was on here, they would not remember me as the wonderfully, fanstastic person that you people on GC get to experience .......I was straight hood, often disrespectful and fought all the time..I needed a hug or something.......anyhoo Thank God thats not me today...and that "high school persona" may not have been Pac at the time of his death....the man's lyrics and poetry can not be denied...

as for Heath..I'm never really surprised by news like this...celebs are real people and have the same problems and even more really because the fame itself is a problem...I'm saddened by the news but never shocked....

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by OOhsoflyDELTA#9

....I was straight hood, often disrespectful and fought all the time..I needed a hug or something.......anyhoo Thank God thats not me today...and that "high school persona" may not have been Pac at the time of his death....the man's lyrics and poetry can not be denied...

mmmmkay ...whuddever you say....

still could use a hug sometimes don't ya!!! LOL

The Tupac I remember was a kid with a gumby haircut, rat tail wearing suspenders and khakis...regular nerd boy who thought he was hood...but hey...if y'all loved him...so be it...hehehehe

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

The Tupac I remember was a kid with a gumby haircut, rat tail wearing suspenders and khakis...regular nerd boy who thought he was hood...but hey...if y'all loved him...so be it...hehehehe

That's no secret. They've shown photos of his high school days along with other celebs' high school days. He had a gumbi (as many dudes did back then) and he looked dorky. Dorks try to be hood all the time for whatever reasons...blah.

So basically you don't know more than we do about him. Okay.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

That's no secret. They've shown photos of his high school days along with other celebs' high school days. He had a gumbi (as many dudes did back then) and he looked dorky. Dorks try to be hood all the time for whatever reasons...blah.

So basically you don't know more than we do about him. Okay.

I didn't say I knew him personally...nor did I say I had intimate knowledge of him...for one...he went to Dunbar for a year and for 2 he was 2 years behind me in my younger cousin's home room. He got kicked out because he was on the wrong end of too many fights. The only class we had together was gym and he terrorized the girls (like normal high school boys would)...and then there was the time he got his arse kicked by the varsity football team for popping the wrong bra strap.

I wasn't one that got chummy with dorks.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I didn't say I knew him personally...nor did I say I had intimate knowledge of him...for one...he went to Dunbar for a year and for 2 he was 2 years behind me in my younger cousin's home room. He got kicked out because he was on the wrong end of too many fights. The only class we had together was gym and he terrorized the girls (like normal high school boys would)...and then there was the time he got his arse kicked by the varsity football team for popping the wrong bra strap.

I wasn't one that got chummy with dorks.

Oh so your Tupac tale was just to announce that you two went to the same high school. Cute.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Oh so your Tupac tale was just to announce that you two went to the same high school. Cute.

duh...pretty much....and u were expecting more becaaaauuuseeee?