Heath Ledger is dead

[ZTABullwinkle]

And this gets even worse...I hate to quote tmz.com (but I haven't found a link on MSNBC or CNN (although I have heard it on MSNBC).

There is speculation that illegal drugs have been found in his apartment, and are being tested by the NYPD.

LINK

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ZTABullwinkle

And this gets even worse...I hate to quote tmz.com (but I haven't found a link on MSNBC or CNN (although I have heard it on MSNBC).

There is speculation that illegal drugs have been found in his apartment, and are being tested by the NYPD.

LINK

And the search for an answer continues.

I hope no one (i.e. fans, GCers, etc.) gets up in arms over these speculations and investigations. His family and friends are really the only ones who should be so emotionally invested in this search for an answer. You never 100% know what people do when they aren't around you or what they're capable of. All we know is that there are accidental and intentional deaths from substances.

[DaemonSeid]

Speculation as to why some people are taking this so hard:

when these people die young...it hurts because some of them go when they are about to really make it big in whatever it is that they do and usually when they die it's 'mysterious' or a 'tragic' manner and many of us are really unsettled because there is that untapped potential they had right at the point of death especially when they are close in age.

For instance...Bruce Lee and his son Brandon, were on the verge of mainstream stardom....

Aaliyah and left Eye also died in tragic accidents

Marilyn Monroe and Anna Nicole Smith are another 2 to come to mind...

Sorry I can't include Tupac and Biggie Smalls because IMO their deaths were senseless...however a lot of people were affected

There are a few others I can't name right off the bat but this is what comes to my mind when you have tragic deaths of celebs that right when they are about to hit it big are snatched from us....

Does that make sense?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Does that make sense?

For whatever question you thought you were answering. It certainly wasn't anything I posed.

I was disturbed by Bruce (I was going to marry him but I didn't know he had already passed by the time I started watching his movies when I was little )and Brandon Lee's deaths, as well as Aaliyah's. But that has more to do with the randomness of tragic accidents versus people who overdose or were involved in dangerous substances. Not saying one is sad and the other isn't, or that some people deserve to die, but causes of death are different and some are more "random and unexpected" than others.

Also not to be confused with people getting up in arms over the speculations and investigations of these deaths. As if they knew these people well enough to know what they were or were not involved in. And as if these people are somehow above speculations and investigations.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

And as if these people are somehow above speculations and investigations.

Well that's what happens when Hollywood "creates" an image. It makes impressions on people and they aren't usually the right ones. It isn't until they make completes arses of themselves (Brittany) or just drop dead that people start hearing "the other side" of that person's life.

Sometimes unless you really truly know that person do you have the story.

For instance....when Tupac died, I wasn't surprised....we went to the same high school for one year and really was nothing more than an annoying prick and nothing like the person we see.......then again...he went from annoying to super annoying...yet and still we have younger kids who idolize him because he was supposed to be this....great thinker, philosophical rapper......please...You want an idea what kind of person her was?

Watch Juice...that will put you in the ballpark.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

For instance....when Tupac died, I wasn't surprised....we went to the same high school for one year and really was nothing more than an annoying prick and nothing like the person we see.......then again...he went from annoying to super annoying...yet and still we have younger kids who idolize him because he was supposed to be this....great thinker, philosophical rapper......please...You want an idea what kind of person her was?

Watch Juice...that will put you in the ballpark.

I also don't like it when people do what you're doing.

You went to high school with Tupac for a year. Did you really know him, though? Is the high school Tupac the same as the grown man Tupac?

He may not have been a great thinker or a philosphical PERSON but his poems and lyrics are usually what Michael Eric Dyson and others highlight.

"Juice" is a movie and what you "knew" of Tupac was probably a surface level presentation just as most of our public interactions are.

What you typed is as silly as when people talk about how noncelebs were when they were in high school: "oh you think so-and-so is cute or cool NOW...but 15 years ago in high school...shoooot...he wore glasses, braces, and was an annoying dork...I know the real so-and-so because HE went to high school with me...."

[OOhsoflyDELTA#9]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I also don't like it when people do what you're doing.

You went to high school with Tupac for a year. Did you really know him, though? Is the high school Tupac the same as the grown man Tupac?

He may not have been a great thinker or a philosphical PERSON but his poems and lyrics are usually what Michael Eric Dyson and others highlight.

"Juice" is a movie and what you "knew" of Tupac was probably a surface level presentation just as most of our public interactions are.

What you typed is as silly as when people talk about how noncelebs were when they were in high school: "oh you think so-and-so is cute or cool NOW...but 15 years ago in high school...shoooot...he wore glasses, braces, and was an annoying dork...I know the real so-and-so because HE went to high school with me...."

I agree. If someone from West Charlotte Class of 93 was on here, they would not remember me as the wonderfully, fanstastic person that you people on GC get to experience .......I was straight hood, often disrespectful and fought all the time..I needed a hug or something.......anyhoo Thank God thats not me today...and that "high school persona" may not have been Pac at the time of his death....the man's lyrics and poetry can not be denied...

as for Heath..I'm never really surprised by news like this...celebs are real people and have the same problems and even more really because the fame itself is a problem...I'm saddened by the news but never shocked....

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I also don't like it when people do what you're doing.

You went to high school with Tupac for a year. Did you really know him, though? Is the high school Tupac the same as the grown man Tupac?

He may not have been a great thinker or a philosphical PERSON but his poems and lyrics are usually what Michael Eric Dyson and others highlight.

"Juice" is a movie and what you "knew" of Tupac was probably a surface level presentation just as most of our public interactions are.

What you typed is as silly as when people talk about how noncelebs were when they were in high school: "oh you think so-and-so is cute or cool NOW...but 15 years ago in high school...shoooot...he wore glasses, braces, and was an annoying dork...I know the real so-and-so because HE went to high school with me...."

You don't have to like it....boo hoo...someone talking bad about the dead...and to answer your question:

Is the high school Tupac the same as the grown man Tupac?


Let me put it this way...with all the dumb shit he was in the news for, it's no wonder he wound up shot to death at an early age....

Hmmm....let's see

He wanted to be a thug when he was younger...he got his wish.

shot at some cops, stayed in and out of jail, shot at other people (remember the incident where he allegedly shot a CHILD???)...raped a few women....(most of this is well documented)

no wonder he died before he hit 30....

So in a way, his 16 year old self was actually a lot less harmful than his 26 year old self that died senselessly.

Take it how you want it.