BGLO Brother/Sister History

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

All of the other "connections" are historical or cultural. I don't believe you will find original scholarship on the matter, but you can read through history books of organizations and see a few things.

For example, my history book mentions the Alphas assisting the AKAs in a way that is not mentioned in their history book; theirs mentions the possible inspiration/moral support of George Lyle on Ethel Hedgeman at Howard University. Neither book goes so far as to claim a brother/sister relationship. But I have to admit from first hand experience the current international president of AKA seemed to have more "sisterly" sort of interaction with our national president, moreso than the other sorority presidents (as observed at the last two public programs I've attended).

Would that have been the founders of Alpha Phi Alpha or the Beta chapter brothers of the fraternity that helped the AKAs? I heard with the Ques and Deltas that two of their founders were dating or something of that nature. I'm not exactly sure though.

I chat with a GC friend of mine (SGRho) via e-mail and we were talking about Kappa and SGRho Indiana history. She told me some things I had no clue about.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

For example, my history book mentions the Alphas assisting the AKAs in a way that is not mentioned in their history book; theirs mentions the possible inspiration/moral support of George Lyle on Ethel Hedgeman at Howard University.

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Would that have been the founders of Alpha Phi Alpha or the Beta chapter brothers of the fraternity that helped the AKAs?

George Lyle was a Beta Chapter charter member. As for the assistance that we rendered AKA in 1913, the history book does not mention which brothers helped, but it does state that several did.

To those who are wondering, it merely states that we received communication from AKA asking for assistance in identifying campuses which would be suitable for new AKA chapters. Several brothers helped. It does not say which brothers or which campuses or if we were actually helpful at all.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I chat with a GC friend of mine (SGRho) via e-mail and we were talking about Kappa and SGRho Indiana history. She told me some things I had no clue about.

Such as what? I'm curious because I always thought the Kappa/SGRho "Indiana Love" was more of a superficial notion because of the founded in Indiana thing than anything historically more substantive than that.

Personally, I'm not too keen about Kappa being "encumbered" to any one sorority as a "sister" org. I like the more commonly accepted notion by brothers that "Kappa loves 'em all".

Besides, being a member of Alpha Phi Omega and having an unofficial sister sorority (Gamma Sigma Sigma--well technically 2 if you count Omega Phi Alpha), I know firsthand that the whole brother/sister org "relationship" can be easily taken advantage of by manipulative members of either org.

[jojapeach]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Personally, I'm not too keen about Kappa being "encumbered" to any one sorority as a "sister" org. I like the more commonly accepted notion by brothers that "Kappa loves 'em all".

I feel exactly the same away about Sigma. I also have the same viewpoint of being independent. That's just moi. Different members have different views on Indiana Love, and the debate could go on forever and ever. Amen.

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I know firsthand that the whole brother/sister org "relationship" can be easily taken advantage of by manipulative members of either org.

I've seen it a couple of times in regard to Sigma and Kappa.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Such as what? I'm curious because I always thought the Kappa/SGRho "Indiana Love" was more of a superficial notion because of the founded in Indiana thing than anything historically more substantive than that.

Personally, I'm not too keen about Kappa being "encumbered" to any one sorority as a "sister" org. I like the more commonly accepted notion by brothers that "Kappa loves 'em all".

She and I have our own greekchat thing going on via e-mail. What started off as PMs are now done via e-mail. LOL. Anyway, she shared some old history with me. I can't remember it all, so I'll have to check my e-mail. One thing I do remember is she said that one of our founders went to the same church as one of theirs. It was history that was passed down. KAP, I also was told that Nupes love all women and that we are not to have any sisters. The SGRhos at IU and the Nupes are very close and bond as brother and sister glos. I know that for a fact, because when I was in undergrad an SGRho was visiting from IU and she came up to me and called be her frat. I corrected her and told her I was not her frat. Then she told me how it was at IU. I was young then and really wasn't open to other oganizations like I am now, so I told her, well at DZ it's not like that here. She gave me a weird look.

I think there may have been more of a bond than we actually know about, that's why I was asking if anyone knew of any history books about these old historical bonds, because I don't know all the facts, if any at all. I can only go by what I've been told.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I was young then and really wasn't open to other oganizations like I am now, so I told her, well at DZ it's not like that here. She gave me a weird look.

PrettyBoy keeps trippin' me out with his "DZ" references...because every time I see DZ, I think:


/unrelated note

[hollywood1913]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Would that have been the founders of Alpha Phi Alpha or the Beta chapter brothers of the fraternity that helped the AKAs? I heard with the Ques and Deltas that two of their founders were dating or something of that nature. I'm not exactly sure though.

I chat with a GC friend of mine (SGRho) via e-mail and we were talking about Kappa and SGRho Indiana history. She told me some things I had no clue about.

I know I may be late, but the Oues did help us out with our founding. And our flower is purple and gold (african violet) partially because of them. We had a founder that was married to one of their founders, but we had other founders married to Alphas so that really doesnt have much to do with anything.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by hollywood1913

And our flower is purple and gold (african violet) partially because of them.

Hmmmm

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by hollywood1913

I know I may be late

Yes. And that means it's all been figured out by now.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by hollywood1913

I know I may be late, but the Oues did help us out with our founding. And our flower is purple and gold (african violet) partially because of them. We had a founder that was married to one of their founders, but we had other founders married to Alphas so that really doesnt have much to do with anything.

I didn't know that.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I didn't know that.

Don't believe that everything you read on a message board is completely accurate.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Don't believe that everything you read on a message board is completely accurate.

o.k. Good lookin' out.