Who is this Ron Paul?

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Unfortunately Earp is not a college kid.

No, I am not a college kid anynore, I am a graduate of my University.

I try and keep up on Political topics and have voted in every election since I turned 18 which is the voting age.

It has always been my contention that if you do not vote, do not complain.

Politicals many times have feet of clay and it has become a profession, not a drive to do the best job one can do for the citizens. Dang little if at all.

Now they changed the name of Pork Bellies to something more PC correct and it still is the same under a differnt name. So, this helps you how?

If I am asuming, you are of teh middle class, when was the last time you got a tax break?

What is your cost for gas, bread, milk, eggs or any other needs for your family?

Do you have money to spend on fun things? No.

What I used to go and get two paper bags of food is now in two plastic bags. When I used to get a full tank of gas with $20.00, now I get a 1/2 a tank of gas.

So where is your extra money going?

Do yopu know any Legislatures who leave Congress poor?

They are interested in one thing only! Guess what/who=them!

I was backing Ron Paul, and read more up on him and his beleifs and he is a little/lot off the wall.

# 1, the Inner Belt will never allow him to get what he proposses. It has happened before and will continue to be the norm.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

No, I am not a college kid anynore, I am a graduate of my University.

I try and keep up on Political topics and have voted in every election since I turned 18 which is the voting age.

Tom Earp, if your birthday is in 1942 then you would have turned 18 in 1960. However, the 26th Amendment wasn't ratified until 1971. Were you voting Chicago-style?

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

Tom Earp, if your birthday is in 1942 then you would have turned 18 in 1960. However, the 26th Amendment wasn't ratified until 1971. Were you voting Chicago-style?

So you can do math.

Get a drivers locense at 16. We could vote at 18 in Mo.

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by eli_the_chopper

If the Republican party wants any chance of winning in the general election, they will have to, repeat, have to nominate Ron Paul because frankly, the rest of the candidates are exactly like George W. Bush, whether they want to admit it or not. And some (most?) are worse.

Ron Paul makes a nice emotional speech, but can you really see him doing any of the big things he promises? Can you envision a United States that pulls out of Iraq overnight and, in the process, makes a very symbolic and somewhat real abandonment of Israel and Saudi Arabia? Can you explain logistically how Ron Paul could eliminate the IRS during his term? Can you explain how the US could go back on the gold standard and have any hope of remaining a leading power in the world economic system?

Ron Paul makes a lot of big promises that sound really nice to people who are angry and just want to throw their fists in the air and say "yeaaahhhh" while they are watching him on TV- but just what could he do in real life? How has he presented any comprehensive set of positions and promised actions that could ever happen?

As for who gets the nomination, if it is not a worthy candidate- then Hillary will win and so be it. I would be much happier with someone of her competence and intelligence in office than an ineffective goofball who will give me a replay of the last 8 years.

If you look at state level votes on social issues in recent elections, sentiment on foreign policy and the growing anger with taxes and border control- it is clear the country is very slowly moving to the right. It has been coming since 1994 and is still moving that way. Modern liberalism really got started in the 1960s and it took 30 years for those ideals and political concepts to take root- and they have seen their peak.

If the GOP cannot put forth a good candidate- then that is our bad and we deserve to lose. And by losing we will hopefully get through this identity crisis a bit sooner and start focusing on fiscal issues and quit getting into social issues which are not the government's business.

In the mean time, give me Hillary anyday over a Republican candidate who can make a good speech- but who does not have the discretion and pragmatism to be an effective President.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by eli_the_chopper

I would love for us to pull out of Iraq overnight. As soon as we can get our troops out of the Middle East, the better off we are.

An immediate pull out of Iraq would create a disaster of epic proportions in the Middle East as neighboring countries became more involved in the ethnic and sectarian violence and divisions... I have to question the intelligence or understanding of some one wanting to be a leader that can't see beyond the domestic impact.

Also, our alliance with SA makes us hypocrites. While we are "making the worlds safe for democracy", one of our closest allies in the Middle East is a monarchy run by the direct bloodline of the first king. Why aren't we liberating those folks too?

So the USA should cancel it's alliances with other monarchies as well? Good luck with that, many folks living in a monarchy would happily take up arms to defended themselves and the monarchy from "liberation".

As for the IRS: historically, we have only had the IRS (or during Lincoln's tenure, the Bureau of Internal Revenue) when we have had an income tax. Since the income tax is direct and not apportioned, all we would need is for it to be declared unconstitutional (it is; the 16th amendment needs to be repealed), and it could be eliminated. At that point, the only income for the federal government will be external revenue collected through duties and tariffs.

Disaster - would mean the canceling of scores of trade treaties and agreements, which would catastrophic effects not only for the USA but the global economy... an incredibly shortsighted and self-defeating economic idea.

Maybe his supporters aren't all a bunch of pot-smoking hippies after all. Maybe they just want small central government, something that 100 years ago wasn't that crazy of an idea, and something that ~230 years ago we fought a revolution for.

Maybe not hippies, but still out of touch with reality if you ask me...