Hazing allegations raised at WSU (Theta Chi and Delta Chi)

[coug4lfe]

Do you honestly think that reporters don't "stretch" the facts for sensationalism? The facts are that 2 young men were brutally beaten after exchanging words at a pizza place. The Delta Chi's went back to their house, gathered up a larger group and then proceeded to beat the other 2 guys and left them bleeding on the sidewalk with severe injuries. It had nothing to do with hazing. It was not on fraternity property. It is being handled by Greek Life and by the fraternities themselves. Unfortunately, the cowards that did the beating have refused to come forward and are being protected by their "brothers." Hopefully, justice will eventually be served. The beaters will be prosecuted. In my opinion since the fraternity that was responsible for the brutality refuses to cooperate and the young cowards that are so filled with rage that they would injure a young man badly enough that he required his jaw to be wired shut have not come forward, that Delta Chi should be shut down. No amount of taunting or even property damage is an excuse or justification for the physical harm they caused. That they are still allowed to be on campus as a fraternity is beyond me. I would be totally ashamed to be a parent of a Delta Chi at Washington State.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Since I was in high school, I've heard stories about the screw ups in the fraternities at WSU. My brother later went to WSU, but never would have joined a fraternity there...he said they were "losers." Now, I haven't met many fraternity guys from WSU, but it seems like they're always getting put on probation or suspended or losing their houses, and sorry, but it takes A LOT to be seen as out-of-control and wild at WSU!

[banditone]

The fact that it was all freshmen is what leads me to believe it was 'hazing', an idea pushed upon them by upperclassmen.

It happens... But in this instance, no broken jaw and trip to the hospital and there would be no story.

[SigKapCoug]

Damn, where did all these other Cougs come from?

This is not a good semester for our Greek Community.

But I will be really surprised if one or both of these chapters doesn't close. WSU is usually pretty swift about unrecognizing chapters (Sigma Nu... Phi Sigs... etc etc)

[coug4lfe]

GammaPhiBeta, spoken like a true person that knows nothing about the REAL WSU. Get real. The Greeks ARE WSU. It is an awesome school and most of the people we went to school with that are our lifelong friends from the Greek system are multimillionaires and very loyal Cougs, so I guess it can't be all bad. It started with the former President that was bound and determined to shut down the Greek system at WSU (he is of the religious persuasion that does not allow alcohol use or at least purports not to, but we all know how that goes!) It is totally ridiculous. We did way worse things than any of the houses that are getting shut down left and right are doing. Our school President at the time came to our parties. The "losers" in the dorms and apartments also did way more drugs than the Greeks. Is that better? My bet is that your brother would not have been accepted by any house, anyhow. Also, my brother was president of his frat and he was accepted into the top Dental School in the nation. My husband was also president of his fraternity and is highly successful. Okay, Gamma Phi Beta...why on earth are you on this board 24/7? No job? Nothing else to do? Are you really even in a sorority or have you just watched too much Legally Blond and Animal House? Finally, it does not take a lot to get shut down at WSU. Quite the opposite. The Greeks are the target because they are the visible group. The same thing goes on at UW. My daughter is a recent grad and sorority member. She said the Greeks were always targeted when they had absolutely nothing to do with any of the problems. They were discriminated against.

This problem is not so much a Greek thing anymore. It is a police matter. IMO, the police and the University have dropped the ball. If it was my kid that was curb stomped and has his jaw wired shut for months and cannot go back to school, you can bet I would have law enforcement and the Whitman county prosecuting attorney all over Delta Chi. I don't know why they were not shut down right away? They are not being forthcoming in who was involved. The Theta Chi's are. They have a policy that any involvement at all will result in immediate expulsion from the fraternity. I wonder if Delta Chi can say the same thing? Again, property damage and verbal taunting are not the same as beating the heck out of a kid, especially in the cowardly manner in which it was done. The D-Chi's went back to their house and rounded up several more guys and then went back to Pappa John's and beat the TWO Theta Chi's brutally. Cowards.

[coug4lfe]

I am sorry for the rant. It is ridiculous to even answer ignorant comments like, "my brother would not join a frat at WSU because they were losers." That does not even merit a reply. I apologize to all the loyal Cougs. I am tired of the media and know nothings speculating and making ridiculous statements about nothing of which they have any first hand experience or knowledge.

I am really mad that both fraternities will most likely be closed down. In my mind that is condoning violence. It is okaying what Delta Chi's did by saying, well, Theta Chi's deserved what they got because they broke the glass doors at Delta Chi's. How insane? How unjust? For the record, it was only a few involved and none of my family members. They were too busy studying and working at productive things and being good fraternity brothers to be bothered by the drama of some immature and brutal jerks.

[seattlealum]

Originally Posted by coug4lfe

If it was my kid that was curb stomped and has his jaw wired shut for months and cannot go back to school, you can bet I would have law enforcement and the Whitman county prosecuting attorney all over Delta Chi. I don't know why they were not shut down right away? They are not being forthcoming in who was involved.

no one got curb stomped. that would result in a broken neck, not jaw. and it wasnt a savage beating either. get your facts straight

[PeppyGPhiB]

Wow, I don't know where to start, "coug4lfe." I'm assuming you're talking to me, although my screenname is not "GammaPhiBeta."

First of all, I'm hardly ever on this board compared to many posters here. I come on for maybe a half-hour a day, if that. Perhaps you're confusing me with one of my many sisters on this board.

Second, you should work on your reading comprehension. I wrote that my brother said the fraternity guys at WSU were losers, not that I thought they were. In fact, I even said I didn't know any fraternity guys from WSU. But that doesn't mean I don't hear stories, and if all the stories I hear both by word-of-mouth and the news media are wrong, well, WSU's fraternities had better do a better job at PR. I never claimed to know a bunch of crap about the WSU fraternities, only said that I heard things...and honey, as we in the PR world say, "Word of mouth is the best medium of all."

Third, my brother transfered in to WSU as a junior after spending two years at a private school in Calif., where he rushed but decided not to accept any bids. The two of us are native Washingtonians with family that ALL went to either UW or WSU, and our high school is one of the biggest "feeders" of both greek systems. We have other greeks in our family and have good knowledge of the greek system, myself being a very active alumna of my own organization.

I'll close by saying that when I first read your posts, I thought you were a 20-year-old fraternity guy. I was stunned to see that you're a woman, and then also a parent of a college aged son. You might want to turn your juvenile "neeener neeener" rants toward the WSU administration or the two fraternities that got their chapters in this mess. I'm sure your experience as a parent has taught you that young people sometimes lie to cover the truth and that rarely are altercations one-sided.

[exlurker]

Update December 5, 2007

Five Delta Chis have been arrested, according to the campus paper.

http://www.dailyevergreen.com/story/24221

Excerpts from article in the Evergreen:

Five Delta Chi members were arrested Tuesday for a fight in late October that sent a man from another fraternity to a Seattle hospital.

. . . The charges stem from an Oct. 27 assault . . . in which the five allegedly fought with two members of the Theta Chi fraternity. One Theta Chi member suffered three fractures of his jaw . . . . The 20-year-old could have permanent nerve damage from the altercation, according to the police.

The arrests were the culmination of a monthlong investigation . . . .

Delta Chi President Branden Daubel said the fraternity’s judicial process is moving forward, along with a university Student Conduct investigation. The chapter is consulting with alumni and the national organization to decide what should happen with the members.

“There’s definitely people not coming back to the house next semester,” Daubel said. . . .

[exlurker]

Update December 7 '07: Article with Details of Several Incidents

The campus paper reports on sanctions for code of conduct violations. The article describes various incidents involving the two fraternities:

http://www.dailyevergreen.com/story/24249

Among the incidents reported in more detail:

* A couple of fights at the WSU vs. San Diego State football game: ". . . the board determined fraternity members, including minors, had been drinking. "

* A fight on September 28 at "an unregistered date dash" party sponsored / hosted by the Alpha Gamma Delta sorority

* A fight outside a pizza place (this is the incident where a Theta Chi member's jaw was fractured)

[Tom Earp]

This has to be one of the stupidous things I have ever seen a Greek or Greek Organizations do!

[seattlealum]

Originally Posted by coug4lfe

Do you honestly think that reporters don't "stretch" the facts for sensationalism? The facts are that 2 young men were brutally beaten after exchanging words at a pizza place. The Delta Chi's went back to their house, gathered up a larger group and then proceeded to beat the other 2 guys and left them bleeding on the sidewalk with severe injuries. It had nothing to do with hazing. It was not on fraternity property. It is being handled by Greek Life and by the fraternities themselves. Unfortunately, the cowards that did the beating have refused to come forward and are being protected by their "brothers." Hopefully, justice will eventually be served. The beaters will be prosecuted. In my opinion since the fraternity that was responsible for the brutality refuses to cooperate and the young cowards that are so filled with rage that they would injure a young man badly enough that he required his jaw to be wired shut have not come forward, that Delta Chi should be shut down. No amount of taunting or even property damage is an excuse or justification for the physical harm they caused. That they are still allowed to be on campus as a fraternity is beyond me. I would be totally ashamed to be a parent of a Delta Chi at Washington State.

you are wrong about most of your facts. you might want to be right before you quote things as the truth

[breddi]

you are a horrible person, you do not know the facts so stop talking. read my reply to your ridiculous post then message me back if the facts still aren't straight.