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11-08-2007, 01:31 PM
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Wow,that is problematic. Either she was angry and furious or she really meant it.
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I mean, if I believed that all of the women in a system thought that I was rude and obnoxious (which is the reason that I got cut), why would I want to be a part of that system. Why would I respect a system that held me in such low esteem?
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11-08-2007, 01:35 PM
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I mean, if I believed that all of the women in a system thought that I was rude and obnoxious (which is the reason that I got cut), why would I want to be a part of that system. Why would I respect a system that held me in such low esteem?
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I know she didn't put it across too well, but I think she was talking about 2 different groups of women:
1. Those who get cut by EVERY group (in this case, 19 of them) because they were so rude and obnoxious, who felt "validated" listening to AR spew anti-sorority garbage;
2. Those who got cut by one or two groups and were invited back to others, but dropped out because they were upset that their favorites cut them. These are the ones she wishes would "try again" but might not if they keep listening to AR spew anti-sorority garbage.
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11-08-2007, 01:44 PM
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I'm more curious about the part where all the NPC sororities HAD to go listen to her speech.
Yeah, I read the book (checked it out from the library, didn't pay for it.)
If you've read it, you've heard what she has to say. Unless there was an NPC representative there to give a balanced presentation, I wouldn't have wasted my time.
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11-08-2007, 01:47 PM
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I'm more curious about the part where all the NPC sororities HAD to go listen to her speech.
Yeah, I read the book (checked it out from the library, didn't pay for it.)
If you've read it, you've heard what she has to say. Unless there was an NPC representative there to give a balanced presentation, I wouldn't have wasted my time.
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I've read it, but I never let it influence my opinions on Greek life. That would be very stupid and silly.
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11-08-2007, 01:51 PM
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I'm more curious about the part where all the NPC sororities HAD to go listen to her speech.
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Ditto! And...who on campus books her to speak and how much do they pay for this garbage?
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I would like to think that "highly urged to attend" would have been more valid about members of NPC sororities going to see AR. After all, it's easier to critique when you know of what you speak.
And as much as I would refuse to BUY a copy of her trash, er, book, I do think we need to know what type of nonsense she's perpetuating.
adpiucf & 33 - love both of your posts!
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11-08-2007, 01:55 PM
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Because you needed to be a full-time enrolled student working on her first bachelor's degree in order to pledge, Alexandra, and clearly you weren't at the time you wrote your book. So if in fact you were a "member" at the time you wrote your book, you obtained such status under false pretenses--- and thus your claims of being a new member or any member are null and void.
That's how we know she wasn't a member. And we know that any secrets she obtained were done under the guise of impersonating a member or gaining the trust of a disgruntled member, again under false pretenses, in an effort to get her "story."
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Also she attended Yale and was a member of a "sister organization" to Skull and Bones. Or so she claims in her book on that fraternity. I doubt she was also a collegiate member of any other sorority then or later.
She mentions in the introduction to her book that she interviewed older alumnae and was just shocked at how they wouldn't reveal the secrets of an organization that many admitted didn't really have much to do with them any more. But SHOCKINGLY they wouldn't tell. So she was clearly fishing and got a few bites. But I'm amused by the number of inaccuracies that have been pointed out in her revealed secrets.
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11-08-2007, 02:04 PM
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Also she attended Yale and was a member of a "sister organization" to Skull and Bones. Or so she claims in her book on that fraternity. I doubt she was also a collegiate member of any other sorority then or later.
She mentions in the introduction to her book that she interviewed older alumnae and was just shocked at how they wouldn't reveal the secrets of an organization that many admitted didn't really have much to do with them any more. But SHOCKINGLY they wouldn't tell. So she was clearly fishing and got a few bites. But I'm amused by the number of inaccuracies that have been pointed out in her revealed secrets.
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If I were an older alumna, I wouldn't reveal secrets of my organization to anyone, let alone her. A secret is a secret.
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11-08-2007, 02:06 PM
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If I were an older alumna, I wouldn't reveal secrets of my organization to anyone, let alone her. A secret is a secret.
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Exactly, even if they didn't mean anything to (general) you anymore, there are plenty of active members who those secrets are important to.
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11-08-2007, 03:17 PM
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Also she attended Yale and was a member of a "sister organization" to Skull and Bones.
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She was in Scroll & Key which is actually a competing society to Skull & Bones - it couldn't be a "sister" society as the majority of the alums/members are men.
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11-08-2007, 02:28 PM
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I'm more curious about the part where all the NPC sororities HAD to go listen to her speech.
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The university where I advised had required Educational attendance percentages for each chapter (each member had to attend I think two speakers/seminars/whatever that were designated as Educationals by Panhellenic). While I understood the intent, I thought it was silly. Some educationals were good and relevant to chapter members, but others women just went to in order to fulfill the requirement and gained nothing.
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The university where I advised had required Educational attendance percentages for each chapter (each member had to attend I think two speakers/seminars/whatever that were designated as Educationals by Panhellenic). While I understood the intent, I thought it was silly. Some educationals were good and relevant to chapter members, but others women just went to in order to fulfill the requirement and gained nothing.
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I understand requirements for educational speakers, but what College Panhellenic in their right mind would pay to hear this author??
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11-08-2007, 02:55 PM
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I understand requirements for educational speakers, but what College Panhellenic in their right mind would pay to hear this author??
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I guess they felt obligated to. It probably wasn't their top choice, or something or other.
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11-08-2007, 02:13 PM
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@33girl Ah, I see.
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11-08-2007, 02:30 PM
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Authoress?????
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