Hazing

[amanda6035]

Originally Posted by Kevin

By informing your HQ, you're showing yourself to be a more loyal member than anyone directly violating their HQ's edicts are. As we always sway, our organizations are for life, not just for college. Why should you allow yourself to be robbed of this lifetime experience because some people were violating the rules and you called them on it?

That's hardly "bullying" your way in. That's showing that you have what it takes to make tough choices and then being accepted by an organization which should be grateful to have such a dedicated and loyal member -- someone who is willing to put what is right above what is convenient. The organization is lucky to have such a person.



But that's the thing. No organization condones hazing. That chapters do it against their national policy is unfortunate. If the organization takes swift action and deals with those who were hazing, how could you possibly maintain that the organization supports or condones hazing?



No one respects someone who turns them into the authorities for breaking the law. Who in that equation has the moral high ground though?



You say "bullied," I say "did the right thing."

Yes, he did the right thing for snitching - but why on earth would he still want to join? That's the point of view I'm looking at it from. And why did these guys still initiate him if they werent going to respect him? Something about this story/situation doesnt make sense.....

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by amanda6035

Yes, he did the right thing for snitching - but why on earth would he still want to join? That's the point of view I'm looking at it from. And why did these guys still initiate him if they werent going to respect him? Something about this story/situation doesnt make sense.....

In NPHC orgs, it is stressed that membership is much more than the chapter.

They might not have had a choice in the matter.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by amanda6035

Yes, he did the right thing for snitching - but why on earth would he still want to join? That's the point of view I'm looking at it from. And why did these guys still initiate him if they werent going to respect him? Something about this story/situation doesnt make sense.....

What Senusret said is true for NIC organizations as well -- membership is bigger than just the chapter. It's for life, not for college. Doing the right thing isn't easy -- and it certainly shouldn't cost you your membership. I can't speak for another organization, but had this kid been a Sigma Nu, he would have in my eyes been more qualified for membership than anyone who stood by and did nothing while the chapter participated in illegal activity which could jeopardize the entire organization.

If I found out that my chapter (which I am a founder of ) was hazing, I'd personally see to it that they were shut down. My loyalty is to my national organization above all. I am a Sigma Nu first, a member of my chapter second.

I know others feel differently, but I think this kid did an incredibly courageous thing. Instead of the easy/popular route, he decided to do the right thing which resulted in him being a marked man wherever he went. I can only hope I'd have as much strength to do what is right if placed in a similar situation.

[ealymc]

Originally Posted by Kevin

What Senusret said is true for NIC organizations as well -- membership is bigger than just the chapter. It's for life, not for college. Doing the right thing isn't easy -- and it certainly shouldn't cost you your membership. I can't speak for another organization, but had this kid been a Sigma Nu, he would have in my eyes been more qualified for membership than anyone who stood by and did nothing while the chapter participated in illegal activity which could jeopardize the entire organization.

If I found out that my chapter (which I am a founder of ) was hazing, I'd personally see to it that they were shut down. My loyalty is to my national organization above all. I am a Sigma Nu first, a member of my chapter second.

I know others feel differently, but I think this kid did an incredibly courageous thing. Instead of the easy/popular route, he decided to do the right thing which resulted in him being a marked man wherever he went. I can only hope I'd have as much strength to do what is right if placed in a similar situation.

Ditto. That took some guts and he probably had days that he regretted doing it. I'm sure that if he feels what he did was right, he'll still make the most of his experience.