So is imitation really the sincerest form of flattery?

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

No they didn't, especially having the black dude as part of the act to make them look more hip. That didn't help, that just made them look even more pathetic to me.

Then, whoever the joker was who put this on youtube had the nerve to say "This is how stepping is done." Probably a member who was trying to say something, but didn't.

PB, I don't think you get the context of saying they were cute.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

PB, I don't think you get the context of saying they were cute.

At 1st I didn't. I do now. LOL. Thanks for that.
If that's what it means then I'll say they were VERY cute. LMAO!

[SWTXBelle]

I have had personal experience with the D9 being "too good" to do anything with the NPC/NIC. My alumnae panhellenic has tried to include BGLOs - but to no avail. It is this sort of attitude that is keeping Greeks from uniting.
You will look in vain for any discriminatory language in my sorority's constitution or bylaws - from the time of our founding onwards. I see plenty of minority Gamma Phis - so I can't buy your argument about discrimination. In fact, it is my understanding that we were the first NPC to pledge a black at the University of Alabama. Does it still exist in places? I'm sure it does - but it is not sanctioned by the International Org., and I think hearts and minds are becoming more loving and open as time goes by.
I also know that my sisters and NPC cousins have done incredible things in the area of philanthropy - so Pretty Boy, you really have no reason to say that once we are your equals in social programs you will talk to us. I give all kinds of credit to the D9 for what they have acomplished - why can't you do the same for NPC/NIC?
It is possible for our GLOS to be different, yet unite in presenting ourselves as forward thinking, progressive organizations dedicated to personal and societal improvement. But it's not going to happen with the kind of criticism you have chosen to indulge in. No, KKG is not going to be able to step as well as an organization that does it on a regular basis, and that has a tradition it has preserved over the years. But does that mean you should insult them when they try to participate in something that means a great deal to BGLOs? Having learned how difficult it is, don't you think that the KKG members will have respect for the skills demonstrated by the BGLOs?
It is a given they will not be on the level of the D9 - I like Drolefille's minor/major league analogy. But can't you give them a break, Pretty Boy? I honestly believe that the only way Greeks can continue is to present a united front - that all of us are worthwhile, whatever our individual differences. I think any activity that encourages participation from the BGLO and traditionally WGLO is a good thing. Heck, if you want to laugh at NPC ineptitude at stepping, go ahead. Just don't be mean and hateful about it.
eta - I'm with y'all about the slang and "attitude". That's not good . . .but my main point still stands.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I also know that my sisters and NPC cousins have done incredible things in the area of philanthropy - so Pretty Boy, you really have no reason to say that once we are your equals in social programs you will talk to us.

He didn't say that. What I said was: "When NIC and NPC Greeks start having a social action program that rivals NPHC orgs, then maybe we'll have something to talk about."

Philanthropy and community service is not what I mean by social action. Also, if you look at that out of context, sure, it does look like I'm saying what you think I'm saying, but I'm not. Not really, at least.

[SWTXBelle]

Sorry for getting the posters confused.
And I am afraid that everyone has their mind made up, and is going to insist on being insulted whether or not that was the intent, so I'm bowing gracefully out, simply saying that I have and always have had the greatest respect for the D9, but have quite frankly become tired of being belittled and insulted for the "crime" of belonging to a NPC org.
Y'all just feel free to go on and on about the heinous crime committed by those KKGs. HOW DARE THEY. Indeed.
Don't bother responding - I won't be checking back here or anything. I apologize for intruding.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Sorry for getting the posters confused.
And I am afraid that everyone has their mind made up, and is going to insist on being insulted whether or not that was the intent, so I'm bowing gracefully out, simply saying that I have and always have had the greatest respect for the D9, but have quite frankly become tired of being belittled and insulted for the "crime" of belonging to a NPC org.

And I'm tired of being belittled, and insulted for the crime of being black.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I have had personal experience with the D9 being "too good" to do anything with the NPC/NIC. My alumnae panhellenic has tried to include BGLOs - but to no avail. It is this sort of attitude that is keeping Greeks from uniting.
You will look in vain for any discriminatory language in my sorority's constitution or bylaws - from the time of our founding onwards. I see plenty of minority Gamma Phis - so I can't buy your argument about discrimination. In fact, it is my understanding that we were the first NPC to pledge a black at the University of Alabama. Does it still exist in places? I'm sure it does - but it is not sanctioned by the International Org., and I think hearts and minds are becoming more loving and open as time goes by.
I also know that my sisters and NPC cousins have done incredible things in the area of philanthropy - so Pretty Boy, you really have no reason to say that once we are your equals in social programs you will talk to us. I give all kinds of credit to the D9 for what they have acomplished - why can't you do the same for NPC/NIC?
It is possible for our GLOS to be different, yet unite in presenting ourselves as forward thinking, progressive organizations dedicated to personal and societal improvement. But it's not going to happen with the kind of criticism you have chosen to indulge in. No, KKG is not going to be able to step as well as an organization that does it on a regular basis, and that has a tradition it has preserved over the years. But does that mean you should insult them when they try to participate in something that means a great deal to BGLOs? Having learned how difficult it is, don't you think that the KKG members will have respect for the skills demonstrated by the BGLOs?
It is a given they will not be on the level of the D9 - I like Drolefille's minor/major league analogy. But can't you give them a break, Pretty Boy? I honestly believe that the only way Greeks can continue is to present a united front - that all of us are worthwhile, whatever our individual differences. I think any activity that encourages participation from the BGLO and traditionally WGLO is a good thing. Heck, if you want to laugh at NPC ineptitude at stepping, go ahead. Just don't be mean and hateful about it.
eta - I'm with y'all about the slang and "attitude". That's not good . . .but my main point still stands.

I respect your post and agree with some of it. I still get upset knowing the fact that white glos excluded blacks from joining them, had us cooking and cleaning for you all in your sorority and fraternity houses and at the same time referred to one of my founders as a Kappa Alpha "Nig". Yes, that was damn near 100 years ago, but knowing the fact that the racial issues are still happening pisses me off to the highest. It angers me knowing this still goes on but yet you all now want to copy our traditions. I'm going to ask you the same question I asked Drolefille. Why do your people have such an issue excepting people who are non-white (especially black people)? You wonder why we don't participate in your greek week functions? We were rejected from you glos so we created our own. It wasn't an issue when we wern't allowed to participate in your functions, but now that we choose not to, it all of a sudden has become an issue.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I have had personal experience with the D9 being "too good" to do anything with the NPC/NIC. My alumnae panhellenic has tried to include BGLOs - but to no avail.

People don't do whatever they don't do for a number of reasons. It's easy to draw conclusions. It's more difficult to talk to people and find out why they aren't participating.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

It is this sort of attitude that is keeping Greeks from uniting.

What attitude? You didn't say anything.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

pledge a black

A black what?

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

People don't do whatever they don't do for a number of reasons. It's easy to draw conclusions. It's more difficult to talk to people and find out why they aren't participating.



What attitude? You didn't say anything.



A black what?

LMAO! DC, you are hilarious, but damn do you make sense.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

DC

Who?

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Who?

I just abreviated DSTCHAOS. (DC) I got lazy.

[MeezDiscreet]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I have had personal experience with the D9 being "too good" to do anything with the NPC/NIC.

Quite honestly, this was all I read of your post because it struck a chord with me. This has been a major issue for me since I pledged waaaaaaaay back in '02 (). I understand that NPC/NIC has more of a social function than service but whenever we were invited to do anything, it was to step or teach people to step. No one ever wanted to co-sponsor a book club or a speaker series or service event--just stepping. Because we're more than entertainment, we would decline the offers to participate in events with people who would never speak to us except to invite us to such events. We were never invited to their parties, or anything else--just to stpe.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MeezDiscreet

Quite honestly, this was all I read of your post because it struck a chord with me. This has been a major issue for me since I pledged waaaaaaaay back in '02 (). I understand that NPC/NIC has more of a social function than service but whenever we were invited to do anything, it was to step or teach people to step. No one ever wanted to co-sponsor a book club or a speaker series or service event--just stepping. Because we're more than entertainment, we would decline the offers to participate in events with people who would never speak to us except to invite us to such events. We were never invited to their parties, or anything else--just to stpe.

That sucks. I do know that since the D9 chapters weren't campus organizations, we weren't allowed to invite them for things like Greek week and such. (City wide chapters) However, I think another big misunderstanding is the size of D9 chapters can be very very small. How are they going to compete in a Greek week on even terms? My sister had no idea even though they've been trying to have Greek-wide events on her small campus for a long time. But I think in many cases, both sides aren't communicating.

[AKA_Monet]

Marc Broussard...

I know, I am just adding fuel to this fire...

And he has a Myspace Page.

[PrettyInPink777]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Marc Broussard...

I know, I am just adding fuel to this fire...

And he has a Myspace Page.

Wow. Tell me he was lip-synching.