Dilemma DA or Stay

[Dilemma44]

Originally Posted by cutie_cat_4ever

Isn't crossing the same as being initiated? I'm confused...so are you still in pledge period?

To Answer your question it's different. When you are pledging you are expected to greet and follow the traditions of a pledge (respect and so on) you cannot disobey the command of a brother. however, after you cross its basically like you are already a brother. you just havent undergone the actual initiation.

[12dn94dst]

Originally Posted by Dilemma44

however, after you cross its basically like you are already a brother. you just haven't undergone the actual initiation.

is it just me, or is there something very suspect (and indiscreet) about this?

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by 12dn94dst

is it just me, or is there something very suspect about that?

To put that into some perspective....

In Alpha Phi Omega, there is a very distinct period after pledging officially ends and before you are initiated. (NOT a probate or hell week period) For some chapters it might be a week, in my chapter it's a few hours. In some chapters, "crossing" might be different from initiation for that reason.

That's not the case in my chapter, but I wanted to provide some additional perspective that could be relevant to this dude's experience.

ETA: Since you also edited yours, I just wanted to point out that everything I mentioned is publicly accessible information on our website, in the pledging standards.

[12dn94dst]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

To put that into some perspective....

In Alpha Phi Omega, there is a very distinct period after pledging officially ends and before you are initiated. (NOT a probate or hell week period) For some chapters it might be a week, in my chapter it's a few hours. In some chapters, "crossing" might be different from initiation for that reason.

That's not the case in my chapter, but I wanted to provide some additional perspective that could be relevant to this dude's experience.

so it could be just me? cool. thanks.

Originally Posted by Senusret I

ETA: Since you also edited yours, I just wanted to point out that everything I mentioned is publicly accessible information on our website, in the pledging standards.

ETA: thanks again. never doubted you for a second.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by 12dn94dst

so it could be just me? cool. thanks.

Naw, it's not just you.... I wasn't ready to hear the details either, lol

[REE1993]

I have a suggestion. For argument's sake, let's say that the "rationalization" of hazing is to bring the pledges together. Get together with your pledge class and as a unit, tell the brothers that you refuse to "take wood". You can even tell them that "as a class, we are standing against this hazing" and that this is what they wanted, for you to bond.

My guess is that they aren't going to tell you all to go home. On the slight chance they do, then you can be proud that you stood up for yourself.

Good luck.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by REE1993

My guess is that they aren't going to tell you all to go home. On the slight chance they do, then you can be proud that you stood up for yourself.

You'd be amazed at how few people realize this.