Sexual orientation and MS

[AlwaysSAI]

I did not make a judgment about you or your entire chapter. You are the one that made the statement. I just merely quoted it.

And, you may treat a gay man who comes into your house with respect while he is there, but if you are excluding him from membership solely because of his sexual orientation, then you are not giving him the respect he deserves as a PNM of your fraternity.

[shinerbock]

Homophobia sure has taken on a broad meaning hasn't it.

I don't sit around thinking of ways to discriminate against gays. I don't strive to be intolerant or to interfere with their lives. I don't force myself to gag when I see two guys make out.

I love how it is natural for two guys to be attracted to each other, but my vomit reflex is simply a result of a hostile and artificial attitude towards something I don't understand because of my Neanderthal nature.

Rewind like 3 pages to the whole hypocrisy thing. I've never debated the hypocrisy of such situations, and please stop including me and my fraternity in this. I'm not there anymore, nor did we ever take any stand on this issue. My point is and has been that hypocrisy does not preclude a group from legitimately considering morality when making membership decisions. We may let in somebody who drinks a lot, but not someone who abuses drugs. Is that hypocritical? Perhaps, yes. Lines are drawn in a multitude of places. Just because we see them as hypocritical doesn't mean a legitimate consideration of moral propriety wasn't included in the process.

[UGAalum94]

Shinerbock,

But it's so fun to be judgmental of hypocrisy. There's no danger that you'll be called to be anything other than honest.

You can do anything you want as long as you don't declare that it's wrong, and you can still sit around and judge others. It requires no self-discipline, but you get to be self-righteous.

Who doesn't love that?

[Kevin]

shiner, I think the bottom line is that when we all sit down and make those tough membership selection decisions that our prejudices are often what guide those decisions.

We can all trumpet our respective HQs' rules all we want. Membership selection is what it is.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSAI

I did not make a judgment about you or your entire chapter. You are the one that made the statement. I just merely quoted it.

And, you may treat a gay man who comes into your house with respect while he is there, but if you are excluding him from membership solely because of his sexual orientation, then you are not giving him the respect he deserves as a PNM of your fraternity.

So you call describing me as ignorant and claiming that me an my chapter are close minded.....not making a judgment?

Once again, I don't discuss what goes in to selecting pledges for my fraternity. If you want to form your own opinions, be my guest.