Sexual orientation and MS

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

I agree with someone's previous post about homosexuality being a lifestyle. Fornication with some random drunk girl can be a habit that is eliminated. You can't just keep changing your sexuality. Being gay is a much bigger commitment.

Here's my stance- go ahead and grill me:
Being gay is not something you are born with- it is a choice.

1. A lifestyle is always a choice. Being vegan and adopting a vegan lifestyle is a choice. Homosexuality is not a lifestyle. You can stop being a vegan. It's just a dietary habit...

2. Can you yourself choose to be gay if you want to? That's what you're insinuating gay people do. You cannot decide your sexuality on a whim. "oh, I can't seem to pull enough chicks on this campus, I'm going to be gay now and see if I can get guys." Or, "I haven't encountered enough adversity and hate in my life yet, I think I'll be gay and see how it is."
FYI-if you're going to quote the Bible as a reason it's immoral, I also hope you're not enjoying seafood, shaving, eating hamburgers or pork barbeque or working on the sabbath. Wait, that's the old testament, not done yet.
I also hope that you're not engaging in pre-marital sex because that is also considered immoral by Paul in the New Testament. In fact, Paul thinks you should abstain from all sexual activity, unless you cannot, in which case you need to go marry asap. Oh, one more thing-the New Testament was written largely in Greek. According to my knowledge, there's no word for homosexuality in Greek (the Greeks kinda liked that stuff), so it was shoved in much later, let's say, 10 translations down the road to be generous.

I don't care if you want to believe it's a choice-just don't try to use the Bible to justify why it's immoral. If you're not a Jew you cannot use the Old Testament to prove your point, if we start following the NT, let's remember that Paul never said homosexuality.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AlexMack

Oh, one more thing-the New Testament was written largely in Greek. According to my knowledge, there's no word for homosexuality in Greek (the Greeks kinda liked that stuff), so it was shoved in much later, let's say, 10 translations down the road to be generous.

Not exactly. You're right that the Greeks did not have a word for "homosexuality," nor did they have anything like a modern understanding of "homosexuality," despite their "kinda liking that stuff." They did, however, have words referring to male same-sex activity, and Paul did use some of those words.

I always think the choice/not-a-choice debate is a red herring. All of us miserable sinners are born with traits, conditions and leanings, or we learn them at such an early age that we might as well have been born with them. The crucial question to me is: What decisions will we make given the hand we've been dealt?

And, again for me, a second question follows: Will my own struggles to make the right decision teach me some humility regarding the struggles of others to make the right decisions?

[modorney]

My opinion is that fraternities (and sororities) serve to provide a learning experience that covers areas not found in the classroom. Ask yourself, what are most of you going to be doing later in life?

In general, most people get married, and have kids.

Your house should have a positive influence in making a brother a potentially better husband and father, as well as improve the odds of finding a better mate, and improving his climate for raising kids. In my house, I made efforts to attact quality women (as a freshman, my house had a poor reputation among women, but as a senior, I, and other brothers made it into a good reputation). So,, my brothers had both a good selection of possible mates, as well as experience around quality women, for those who selected wives in later life.

A homosexual brother, acting as a brother, would not be interested in this aspect of his fraternity, which would probably be OK. But a leader in the house who was homosexual would probably resist this initiative, which would be a disservice to most of the brotherhood.

I do have some personal experience, from my undergrad days, and if anyone wants to discuss it individually, feel free to e-mail me. I'm not into bashing anyone, but a forum is a difficult place to discuss some topics; one-on-one e-mail makes it easy to clarify misinterpretations.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by modorney

In general, most people get married, and have kids.

Your house should have a positive influence in making a brother a potentially better husband and father, as well as improve the odds of finding a better mate, and improving his climate for raising kids. In my house, I made efforts to attact quality women (as a freshman, my house had a poor reputation among women, but as a senior, I, and other brothers made it into a good reputation). So,, my brothers had both a good selection of possible mates, as well as experience around quality women, for those who selected wives in later life.

A homosexual brother, acting as a brother, would not be interested in this aspect of his fraternity, which would probably be OK. But a leader in the house who was homosexual would probably resist this initiative, which would be a disservice to most of the brotherhood.

So the whole point of being in a fraternity is to find quality breeding stock to populate the earth with your offspring?

Just to let you know, Leave It To Beaver and Mad Men are not documentaries of life in the year 2007.

(insert projectile barf icon here)

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by modorney

My opinion is that fraternities (and sororities) serve to provide a learning experience that covers areas not found in the classroom. Ask yourself, what are most of you going to be doing later in life?

In general, most people get married, and have kids.

Your house should have a positive influence in making a brother a potentially better husband and father, as well as improve the odds of finding a better mate, and improving his climate for raising kids. In my house, I made efforts to attact quality women (as a freshman, my house had a poor reputation among women, but as a senior, I, and other brothers made it into a good reputation). So,, my brothers had both a good selection of possible mates, as well as experience around quality women, for those who selected wives in later life.

A homosexual brother, acting as a brother, would not be interested in this aspect of his fraternity, which would probably be OK. But a leader in the house who was homosexual would probably resist this initiative, which would be a disservice to most of the brotherhood.

I do have some personal experience, from my undergrad days, and if anyone wants to discuss it individually, feel free to e-mail me. I'm not into bashing anyone, but a forum is a difficult place to discuss some topics; one-on-one e-mail makes it easy to clarify misinterpretations.

Lulz! I am sure the excessive drinking, hazing, copious amounts of pre-marital sex and perhaps a little drug usage is going to go very far in training you to be a good husband and father.

Sorry, I learned nothing in my sorority to teach me to be a good mother and wife. I got that from my own mother, kthx.

[modorney]

> So the whole point of being in a fraternity is to find quality breeding stock ...

Nope, not the whole point. But, I assume the majority of fraternity and sorority members get married, sometime in life. And, the majority of those have kids. Some of your members might want some positive mentoring in these areas, while others just might not be interested. But, I don't think a house would be doing its members a good thing by working against what most of your members will do, eventually.

Another aspect of greek life is to learn to live with different kinds of people and lifestyles. And most of these people have positive lifestyles and relationships that, though different than mine (or yours) are still positive. They just may not be the primary paradigms that drive your house (but could be the primary paradigms that drive another house).

[33girl]

Originally Posted by modorney

> So the whole point of being in a fraternity is to find quality breeding stock ...

Nope, not the whole point. But, I assume the majority of fraternity and sorority members get married, sometime in life. And, the majority of those have kids. Some of your members might want some positive mentoring in these areas, while others just might not be interested. But, I don't think a house would be doing its members a good thing by working against what most of your members will do, eventually.

Another aspect of greek life is to learn to live with different kinds of people and lifestyles. And most of these people have positive lifestyles and relationships that, though different than mine (or yours) are still positive. They just may not be the primary paradigms that drive your house (but could be the primary paradigms that drive another house).

I just looked at your other posts and I guess some of this is an age disconnect, but wow, that first paragraph is so far from truth or reality it's not even funny.

And the second paragraph contradicts the first.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I just looked at your other posts and I guess some of this is an age disconnect, but wow, that first paragraph is so far from truth or reality it's not even funny.

And the second paragraph contradicts the first.

First paragraph is pretty accurate where I'm from.