2007 UGA Recruitment

[hollywin]

Originally Posted by Jobellesis

I am actually a lucky mother who can also call her daughter, sister. I personally am in favor of legs getting their legacy chapter unless there is some major problem. However, I wonder if perhaps some girls were cut at large schools with competitive recruitments because there can only be so many legacies chosen for a chapter. Being a legacy didn't seem to help them very much. Not only were the legacies competing with the whole pnm pool; they were competing in the legacy pool, which appears to be a tougher group to get through. I really don't know what I'd do if I had a daughter going through one of the competitive rushes at a large school where there were more legs than quota spots. I'm pretty sure I'd never list her legacy status on the panhellenic registration form.

I am so happy that you are a proud legacy mom..congrats. I guess in my situation I have to know what legacy defines. A pnm whose mom, sister ,or aunt is a legacy ?? This is what I have known to be true. So what about a pnm whose mom and her 2 sisters were legacies to the UGA chapter and all of which were officers in XYZ chapter. Is it fair to take the pnm and spend only 40 minutes to decide ? This being from rounds 1 & 2. While I know there were many legacies I wonder how many went through with that statistic. While this pnm had many recs at other houses, do you not think that they looked at the 4x legacy and decided to cut because they assumed she would choose that house. 1300 girls,they had to make cuts where they could. I think in my daughters situation her families commitment to greek life actually hurt her in the long run.

[sarasmile]

Originally Posted by hollywin

I am so happy that you are a proud legacy mom..congrats. I guess in my situation I have to know what legacy defines. A pnm whose mom, sister ,or aunt is a legacy ?? This is what I have known to be true. So what about a pnm whose mom and her 2 sisters were legacies to the UGA chapter and all of which were officers in XYZ chapter. Is it fair to take the pnm and spend only 40 minutes to decide ? This being from rounds 1 & 2. While I know there were many legacies I wonder how many went through with that statistic. While this pnm had many recs at other houses, do you not think that they looked at the 4x legacy and decided to cut because they assumed she would choose that house. 1300 girls,they had to make cuts where they could. I think in my daughters situation her families commitment to greek life actually hurt her in the long run.

You may want to find out about what your Nationals legacy requirement is - how many rounds they need to be invited to, if they need to be on the bid list after a certain round, etc.

I know that there are several (if not most) NPC groups with a stipulation that if a legacy makes it to the pref round, she must be on that chapter's first bid list. Don't know all the rules for all the organizations, but its possible that your org could have a rule that says "you have to invite a legacy to second round, but have to release them by X time if you don't plan to put them on the 1st bid list." If the chapter wasn't certain that they wanted a particular legacy to be on the first bid list, it may force them to release her. (Especially at a school w/tons of legacies.)

Since MS rules are private, we here at GC can't tell you what your group's policy is. But as an initiated member, you certainly get that information if you wanted it. It could at least give you an idea of whether your daughter was relased when she was. (Not specifics, of course, but at least knowing whether it might have been due to a policy issue or not.)

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by hollywin

I am so happy that you are a proud legacy mom..congrats. I guess in my situation I have to know what legacy defines. A pnm whose mom, sister ,or aunt is a legacy ?? This is what I have known to be true. So what about a pnm whose mom and her 2 sisters were legacies to the UGA chapter and all of which were officers in XYZ chapter. Is it fair to take the pnm and spend only 40 minutes to decide ? This being from rounds 1 & 2. While I know there were many legacies I wonder how many went through with that statistic. While this pnm had many recs at other houses, do you not think that they looked at the 4x legacy and decided to cut because they assumed she would choose that house. 1300 girls,they had to make cuts where they could. I think in my daughters situation her families commitment to greek life actually hurt her in the long run.

What is a legacy is dependent upon the sorority. For Delta Gamma, a woman can be a leg through her mother, grandmother, or sister (as well as step-relations in these categories). Some other sororities, however, may consider aunts and cousins in their legacy definition. Your group's policy should be on your national website.

In answer to your question, it's not fair for a house to only take 40 minutes to decide on a girl. But some houses at UGA have several times quota in legacies coming through, and they have to make legacy cuts at that point. I know of a young lady who was a legacy several times over to a competitive chapter on campus, and she was cut after round two when she rushed... so your daughter is not the first. It's sad, but I don't think it is by any means rare.

I think you are right that some chapters might have chosen to cut your daughter because of her multiple legacies to your house, especially if it was an established, competitive house on campus (and I gather from some of what you've posted that it is). Of course, none of us were there for MS at any of the houses to be sure, but it makes sense that some houses would think "Why bother if she's going to end up an XYZ anyway?" when they saw how many XYZ members are in her family. Again, it's not fair, but often when groups have to make cuts, they need to cut girls they feel have a strong chance of going elsewhere, whether 8 million of their friends are ABCs or they have a family line going back to the early 1900s in XYZ.

[BBelleADPi]

Here's a question I have about writing recs, PNMs, and chapters at UGA: Are there some sororities that tend to accept PNMs MAINLY from one particular area of Atlanta and/or private school sector, etc? I say mainly to acknowledge the few others they may accept; but I keep hearing over and over that certain groups will reject great PNMs from other places in the state (or states) in favor of great PNMs from a particular area/burb/school. Membership/bids-accepted lists seem to validate this. Comments?

[WestGAChiO]

There is another way around the situation for your daughter. I am not condoning this in any way but I saw this happen many times in my chapter and other sororities at my school. Girls from UGA who were not able to get in the chapter they wanted transferred mid-year to my school where they tried to pick up a bid through COB and then if successful, they pledged, initiated, then transfered back to UGA the next year and petitioned for affiliation with that chapter.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by WestGAChiO

There is another way around the situation for your daughter. I am not condoning this in any way but I saw this happen many times in my chapter and other sororities at my school. Girls from UGA who were not able to get in the chapter they wanted transferred mid-year to my school where they tried to pick up a bid through COB and then if successful, they pledged, initiated, then transfered back to UGA the next year and petitioned for affiliation with that chapter.

This has been discussed on GC. It doesn't always work - i.e. the UGA chapter may vote to NOT let the girl become an active member - and sometimes even if it does the girl has to wait a year or so to affiliate.

Not to mention having to transfer from the school where you want to be (UGA) to a school where you don't want to be, and possibly losing credits in the process. I don't think a sorority is really worth all that.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by 33girl

This has been discussed on GC. It doesn't always work - i.e. the UGA chapter may vote to NOT let the girl become an active member - and sometimes even if it does the girl has to wait a year or so to affiliate.

Not to mention having to transfer from the school where you want to be (UGA) to a school where you don't want to be, and possibly losing credits in the process. I don't think a sorority is really worth all that.

Ditto!

I know it's been done, but I certainly would never recommend it as a sane option!

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

I know it's been done, but I certainly would never recommend it as a sane option!

I agree.

While it's been done, I don't think it should even be thrown out there as an option. The risks definitely outweigh the benefits here.

[NUBlue&Blue]

Originally Posted by WestGAChiO

There is another way around the situation for your daughter. I am not condoning this in any way but I saw this happen many times in my chapter and other sororities at my school. Girls from UGA who were not able to get in the chapter they wanted transferred mid-year to my school where they tried to pick up a bid through COB and then if successful, they pledged, initiated, then transfered back to UGA the next year and petitioned for affiliation with that chapter.

This really doesn't work very well anymore, from what I have heard. I don't know how common this used to be, but now the "name" houses are already at or over total, so they don't have room to take these girls either.

And they are pretty wise to this ploy, too.

[Zillini]

Originally Posted by WestGAChiO

There is another way around the situation for your daughter. I am not condoning this in any way but I saw this happen many times in my chapter and other sororities at my school. Girls from UGA who were not able to get in the chapter they wanted transferred mid-year to my school where they tried to pick up a bid through COB and then if successful, they pledged, initiated, then transfered back to UGA the next year and petitioned for affiliation with that chapter.

I've heard stories about this sort of thing happening too. I've heard of girls deciding which sorority they want to belong to at the big ultra-competitive University. They research small schools and pick one with a weak Chapter of that sorority. Presumably it's easy to pledge there. They don't want to run the risk of getting cut or "stuck" with a bid to another sorority on their intended campus. So after initiating, they transfer at the end of that first semester.

Problem is they didn't count on not being welcomed with open arms as a sister. They're shocked to discover that the Chapter wasn't obligated to let them affiliate. So they wind up being a 2nd semester Freshman on alum status. Not quite what they had in mind for their college years.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Zillini

Problem is they didn't count on not being welcomed with open arms as a sister. They're shocked to discover that the Chapter wasn't obligated to let them affiliate. So they wind up being a 2nd semester Freshman on alum status. Not quite what they had in mind for their college years.

See I was wondering about this. I know alot of the larger chapters at schools like UGA, Ole Miss, and LSU probably have quite a few women trying to transfer in, and I know that affiliating with a new chapter isn't always an automatic thing.

There is a girl I know from one of my classes in undergrad who joined XYZ at another school in our conference, and transfered to my school her soph. year because the XYZ chapter here is bigger and in her words, "cooler" than the one where she pledged.

She met the KSU XYZ's for a few weeks and they were the polar opposite of this girl. They also had a few other girls attempting to transfer into their chapter during avery busy spring semester.Long story short, they ended up not asking her to affiliate.

So her plan backfired and she's an alumna of her sorority as a soph. in college who wishes she'd stayed at her old school. Girls need to really stop and think before doing this because it isn't a sure thing. And nobody wants to be an alumna as a freshman or sophomore.

[MaggieXi]

I am prefacing this post by saying I am not trying to be snarky or get under anyone's skin. I understand that there are some upset people on here - both PNMs and parents and that I do not come from an ultra competive recruitment background like Bama or UGA.

Most of the venting and hurt seems to be coming from the alums, and the moms that have written the recs and did alot of the leg work. But how much of the responsibility comes down to the PNM to reach out (even if you are out of state) and introduce herself to the chapter. Especially in an ultra competitive recruitment. With things like Facebook, a few little exchanges between a potential PNM (obvi. before silence or no-contact rules go into effect) and an active could go along way -- at least get a name remembered, the actives talking about this really cool pnm that annieactive talked to and she is a 5x chapter legacy.

I also have been seeing a lot of posts about how angry alums are at the specific chapter for releasing their girls. But maybe the chapter had good reasons (not that your girls aren't wondeful -- i'm not insinuating that), but maybe the pnms weren't talkative (we've seen lots of stories about the mute pnm) or were braggarts (we've seen lots of stories about the bragging pnm) that may have rubbed the actives the wrong way, or maybe the pnm just got talking to 1 or 2 actives that weren't very good at rushing and didn't introduce your girl to enough people, etc. Bottom line is that you don't know what went on during those parties, you don't know how your girl did through the eyes of the actives, and you don't know what went on during ms, and you will probably never know.

And as my sister goes off to college this weekend (recruitment is deffered where she is going) I think how upset she would be if she didn't get a bid, and how mortified she would be if her rec writers continually bashed the system.

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by BBelleADPi

Here's a question I have about writing recs, PNMs, and chapters at UGA: Are there some sororities that tend to accept PNMs MAINLY from one particular area of Atlanta and/or private school sector, etc? I say mainly to acknowledge the few others they may accept; but I keep hearing over and over that certain groups will reject great PNMs from other places in the state (or states) in favor of great PNMs from a particular area/burb/school. Membership/bids-accepted lists seem to validate this. Comments?

There are definitely groups known for being out-of-state-friendly and groups known for being Georgia-only or certain-parts-of-Georgia-only. Not having been present for MS for the latter two, I can't verify whether this is true or if it's merely coincidence.