Gaurenteed matching?

UGAalum94 · #1 08-18-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fantASTic

So..what about the girls who simply aren't suited to sorority life? We all know that Greek Life is exclusive and it's not for everyone. I read these threads like "Weird Rush Stories" and hear about crazy girls, like that one KSUViolet was talking about that cries all the time. Would she still get a bid no matter what if she maximized her options? How is that appropriate?

I'm sorry if it sounded like I meant guaranteed placement all the way though rush. That doesn't sound like a good thing to me. I think chapters should completely be able to release PNMs permanently.

But often the girls invited to prefs are on the bid lists of those groups; it's just a question of where. The groups would want them if they had room.

I'm in favor of saying that quota additions will be available to all the girls who go to prefs who maximize there options.

If there are groups that cut after prefs, the campus would have to address that, I guess.

But I guess what I'm wondering about in this thread is whether any campuses actually say that they will match girls who maximize no matter how many QA that would mean? Does anyone know of any?

SECMom · #2 08-18-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

I'm sorry if it sounded like I meant guaranteed placement all the way though rush. That doesn't sound like a good thing to me. I think chapters should completely be able to release PNMs permanently.

But often the girls invited to prefs are on the bid lists of those groups; it's just a question of where. The groups would want them if they had room.

I'm in favor of saying that quota additions will be available to all the girls who go to prefs who maximize there options.

If there are groups that cut after prefs, the campus would have to address that, I guess.

But I guess what I'm wondering about in this thread is whether any campuses actually say that they will match girls who maximize no matter how many QA that would mean? Does anyone know of any?

I think Alabama does this--I remember my daughter talking about how if you went to three prefs you got a bid regardless....maybe she just didn't understand quota additions, but the whole time she was there she never knew of anyone dropped who had been to three prefs.

dukedg · #3 08-18-2007, 06:00 PM

I know UC Berkeley did this while I was an advisor there (up until 2006). It occassionally caused some problems when certain chapters got 5 quota additions with a quota of 20, but how else can you guarantee the bid?

UGAalum94 · #4 08-18-2007, 06:00 PM

But if a girl in only invited to two, she just has to match in regular matching even if she lists them both?

exlurker · #5 08-18-2007, 06:08 PM

AlphaGamUGAAlum, the University of Kansas Greek Life / Panhellenic site says that they "guarantee":

http://www.kugreek.org/panhellenic_qa.html#18

Will I automatically get into a chapter by the end of the week?
KU has a very low occurrence of women who are not matched to a chapter for one reason or another. The average percentage of women who didn’t match over the last three years is about 4%. While we can’t guarantee that you’ll match to a chapter for the whole week, if you participate in the Preference round (the last round of recruitment) and you maximize your options when you rank the chapters you visited that night, and we will guarantee that you will become a member of one of those chapters.

Note that the PNM has to make it to Preference and has to maximize her options when she ranks after Pref.

dukedg · #6 08-18-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

But if a girl in only invited to two, she just has to match in regular matching even if she lists them both?

I'm not sure if you are asking me, specifically, but at Cal they only go to two parties for pref.

If a PNM has maximized her options all along and only gets invited to one pref party, then my understanding is she is not guaranteed a bid. She must have a full party schedule for prefs and have maximized her options throughout the process to have a guaranteed bid. Someone please correct me, if I am wrong!

UGAalum94 · #7 08-18-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dukedg

I'm not sure if you are asking me, specifically, but at Cal they only go to two parties for pref.

If a PNM has maximized her options all along and only gets invited to one pref party, then my understanding is she is not guaranteed a bid. She must have a full party schedule for prefs and have maximized her options throughout the process to have a guaranteed bid. Someone please correct me, if I am wrong!

I was asking about everyplace. Thanks for answering.

It looks like there are a few campuses that flat our guarantee. And there are others at which a girl who got the maximum number of invites to prefs are eligible (which seems odd to me since it's beyond their control) like Alabama and Cal, and others where they will match some and not others, like Auburn and Georgia where quota additions exist but everyone who maximizes doesn't get one.

It's interesting that there's that much variety.

I suspect I wasn't alone in my belief that quota additions were a reward for every girl who maximized her options, and I was interested in what campuses really do.

lauralaylin · #8 08-18-2007, 07:44 PM

Tufts has guaranteed placement. If a pnm is dropped at any point from all three groups, she is invited back to her two favorites. If she is dropped by one group first and the other two later on, she goes to the two she later returned to. If she doesn't match up after pref, she is matched to her favorite. I have seen exceptions, such as one pnm who was so rude to one group that the GA didn't apply this rule to her. But it causes a ton of headaches, and I know at least two groups that have definitely been left with women that were poor fits for their chapters on bid day.

dukemama · #9 08-18-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lauralaylin

But it causes a ton of headaches, and I know at least two groups that have definitely been left with women that were poor fits for their chapters on bid day.

At some point you have to ask what's more important -- making every PNM happy or strengthening the overall sisterhood. Forcing groups to take PNMs they never really wanted isn't the solution!

Speaking as a non-Greek, I fully understand and sympathize with girls who either get bids to houses they're not happy with or, as in my case, don't get bids at all. But by definition sorority membership is exclusive, so we have to expect that not everyone "gets in". Would I have benefited from a system like Tufts'? Of course...but who wants to belong to a group where you know the only reason you're there is because the other members were forced to admit you? No thanks!

AlphaFrog · #10 08-19-2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by lauralaylin

Tufts has guaranteed placement. If a pnm is dropped at any point from all three groups, she is invited back to her two favorites. If she is dropped by one group first and the other two later on, she goes to the two she later returned to. If she doesn't match up after pref, she is matched to her favorite. I have seen exceptions, such as one pnm who was so rude to one group that the GA didn't apply this rule to her. But it causes a ton of headaches, and I know at least two groups that have definitely been left with women that were poor fits for their chapters on bid day.

Did these women know that they were released, or did they show up at bid day thinking that their group wanted them all along?

KSUViolet06 · #11 08-18-2007, 10:17 PM

My school doesn't guarantee matching, but they do let PNMs know that by maximizing their options (attending and ranking ALL 3 groups they pref) they have a 99% chance of receiving a bid. They are aware that as long as they do that, they'll get a bid somewhere.

UGAalum94 · #12 08-18-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

My school doesn't guarantee matching, but they do let PNMs know that by maximizing their options (attending and ranking ALL 3 groups they pref) they have a 99% chance of receiving a bid to one of those groups.

How much difference do you think quota additions make in the 99% number at your campus?

(Depending on who she is preffing, a girl might have a 100% chance of getting one of her three if she lists them all and one group that she lists typically doesn't make quota.)

I find all this stuff really interesting. I really thought quota additions were wonderful, but since I realized that they didn't necessarily benefit all girls who maximized, I'm starting to wonder if using release figures and allowing groups to snap bid to chapter total right after regular bid matching wouldn't work just as well.

Other than the QAs not knowing that they were QAs in a way that snap bids know they were further down the list, what are the other benefits of QAs over snap bids if you were using release figures in both methods?

KSUViolet06 · #13 08-18-2007, 10:33 PM

My campus does use the new RFM and QA's and I think our overall placement rate has improved because of it. In addition, I also think the number of women placed to their #1 choices has also improved greatly.

kathykd2005 · #14 08-18-2007, 10:37 PM

This guaranteed bid matching is an interesting concept. I don't believe it was ever used at my alma mater, because I always remember some ladies not receiving bids... I will have to ask if they are using this format now. I would imagine the numbers would go up dramatically.

NOLA25 · #15 08-25-2007, 10:59 PM

My daughter just went through recruitment at Alabama. Before pref night, each PNM was given a booklet (Preference Primer). It states if you are invited to one pref party and you place one choice on your pref card, you have maximized your options and you will receive a bid from that chapter. If you are invited to two pref parties and you place those two choices on your pref card, you will receive a bid from one of those two chapters. If your are invited to 3 pref parties and and you place those three choices on your pref card, you will receive a bid from one of those chapters. You are guaranteed a bid if you have maximized your options in any of these situations.