NPHC Secretiveness, Insularity, Etc.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

I got the impression that what she is saying is that due to other people's (not her own) ignorance of how MGC & NPHC orgs work, they have these ideas about the size of the chapters and other things, and that's why she is pushing for greater communication and awareness between councils on her campus. Perhaps I misinterpreted?

You may be right. I won't take that aspect of what she's saying away from her. If she could perhaps be half as eloquent as you are, maybe I'd understand her point. Otherwise it just sounds like she's a neo running off at the mouth about a lot of things she doesn't know about.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Otherwise it just sounds like she's a neo running off at the mouth about a lot of things she doesn't know about.

Harking back to my previous post in this thread...

This is EXACTLY what I mean. No, that's NOT joking. That is someone saying that her opinion doesn't count because she's newer in her sorority. Guess what? It doesn't work like that in the NPC. Yes, we listen to the older members and respect their decisions, but they also allow us the same respect. It goes both ways. Being young does not mean you're stupid.

Senusret I: I enjoy reading your posts quite a bit, and I think you often have something good to say, but your reply to my previous post was [I think] off the mark a little, yet at the same time exemplified what I was trying to convey. I shouldn't have to go talk to a Greek Life administrator to understand your group. You should be representing yourselves in a way that doesn't make people think of you in a negative light, or have to go off rumors or hearsay to get information. If it was more readily available, and the process was less secretive, you wouldn't have that. [I'm using the word 'you' in a broad sense here, by the way. Just meaning a variety of NPHC groups.]

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Harking back to my previous post in this thread...

This is EXACTLY what I mean. No, that's NOT joking. That is someone saying that her opinion doesn't count because she's newer in her sorority. Guess what? It doesn't work like that in the NPC. Yes, we listen to the older members and respect their decisions, but they also allow us the same respect. It goes both ways. Being young does not mean you're stupid.

Senusret I: I enjoy reading your posts quite a bit, and I think you often have something good to say, but your reply to my previous post was [I think] off the mark a little, yet at the same time exemplified what I was trying to convey. I shouldn't have to go talk to a Greek Life administrator to understand your group. You should be representing yourselves in a way that doesn't make people think of you in a negative light, or have to go off rumors or hearsay to get information. If it was more readily available, and the process was less secretive, you wouldn't have that. [I'm using the word 'you' in a broad sense here, by the way. Just meaning a variety of NPHC groups.]

fantASTic..... I strongly suggest talking to someone more knowledgeable in real life, like a Greek affairs administrator. I think that what you see on GC and what you experience in real life are valid, but I think it takes something a little "extra" to understand certain nuances about how and why we do things the way we do them. I suggest an administrator because they have the experience and the patience to explain things a little better than we probably will.

That was precisely what my answer to you was. If that's off the mark, then you just don't want to learn more in the first place.

As for the rest of your remarks, well I really don't want to have to hurt your feelings.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Harking back to my previous post in this thread...

This is EXACTLY what I mean. No, that's NOT joking. That is someone saying that her opinion doesn't count because she's newer in her sorority. Guess what? It doesn't work like that in the NPC. Yes, we listen to the older members and respect their decisions, but they also allow us the same respect. It goes both ways. Being young does not mean you're stupid.

Senusret I: I enjoy reading your posts quite a bit, and I think you often have something good to say, but your reply to my previous post was [I think] off the mark a little, yet at the same time exemplified what I was trying to convey. I shouldn't have to go talk to a Greek Life administrator to understand your group. You should be representing yourselves in a way that doesn't make people think of you in a negative light, or have to go off rumors or hearsay to get information. If it was more readily available, and the process was less secretive, you wouldn't have that. [I'm using the word 'you' in a broad sense here, by the way. Just meaning a variety of NPHC groups.]

No one ever said that newer means stupid. It does, however, mean that you do not know as much as older members about the ways of your organization and Greek life in general - no matter what org you're in.

If you really do want to understand another group, then who better to go to than a Greek Life admin? They're going to (ideally) be knowledgeable and unbiased, and if you are looking for deeper info, then seems to me, that'd be an excellent resource. That kind of information isn't going to just be out there to absorb casually off the streets - I certainly don't know very much about the membership process of NPC sororities! If I wanted to know, I would ask someone like a Greek Life admin about it. I wouldn't expect members to just throw that info in my face as I encounter them in day-to-day activities.

And as for the whole "negative light" comment - okay, some NPC/IFC Greeks chose to look down on other groups out of ignorance. And some GDIs (and yes, it's true, NPHC, MGC, and other Greeks) look down on NPC/IFC Greeks out of ignorance as well. So in your opinion the burden should be with the group who is being falsely perceived, rather than those who aren't educating themselves? Why? And what are you, as an NPC Greek, doing to change others' false perception of YOUR group?