Tammy Faye dead

[Soliloquy]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Good Lord people...not SMOKING the make up...let's talk about how absurd that it...I am referring to chemical (toxic) poisoning....anyways...leave it alone..the forensics do thier biz first.

Are you really naive enough to believe that make-up companies would be in business if their products were toxic?

And no, you are not allowed to compare the dangers of Cover Girl to the dangers of Marlboro. They are in no way related because make-up is used on a mass-basis, where as tobacco isn't. Plus you have to be 18 to buy cigs, not foundation.

I just.. I .. can't even.. fathom.. why you would even remotely think something so ludicrous.

I'm not purposefully trying to be rude, but I've just never heard of such a silly idea.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Soliloquy

Are you really naive enough to believe that make-up companies would be in business if their products were toxic?

And no, you are not allowed to compare the dangers of Cover Girl to the dangers of Marlboro. They are in no way related because make-up is used on a mass-basis, where as tobacco isn't. Plus you have to be 18 to buy cigs, not foundation.

I just.. I .. can't even.. fathom.. why you would even remotely think something so ludicrous.

I'm not purposefully trying to be rude, but I've just never heard of such a silly idea.

and what may be ludicrous today may be fact tomorrow.....just as a pre emptive..if this turns out true in another 10 to 20 years....let me finish by saying...."I told you so."

Too much of anything (in some cases not naturally occuring ) can be bad for your health.


BTW...while you are writing my musings off as ludicrous, please check out these various sites that discuss toxic chemicals that can be found in some of the cosmetics that women wear....

http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar...health0206.htm

http://www.health-report.co.uk/EWG_m...ls_summary.htm

http://www.greenbiz.com/news/news_th...m?NewsID=34723

http://www.hallgold.com/toxic-chemic...-directory.htm

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Soliloquy

I just.. I .. can't even.. fathom.. why you would even remotely think something so ludicrous.

I'm not purposefully trying to be rude, but I've just never heard of such a silly idea.

Ah, but isn't condescension a first cousin of rude?

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Too much of anything (in some cases not naturally occuring ) can be bad for your health.

I agree with that..... I don't think the makeup contributed to her death, but I can definitely understand the logic.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Ah, but isn't condescension a first cousin of rude?





I agree with that..... I don't think the makeup contributed to her death, but I can definitely understand the logic.

and that's what I trying to say a few posts ago...not that it was a DIRECT contributor to the cause of cancer...but the toxins taken in from the makeup along with whatever else she had going on (u all know she was addicted to tranquilizers too right?) along with just straight out stress, weakened her body.

[honeychile]

On behalf of the countless geriatric ladies I've had as clients, may I add that HPV is not the only cause of cervical cancer?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

and what may be ludicrous today may be fact tomorrow.....just as a pre emptive..if this turns out true in another 10 to 20 years....let me finish by saying...."I told you so."

Too much of anything (in some cases not naturally occuring ) can be bad for your health.


BTW...while you are writing my musings off as ludicrous, please check out these various sites that discuss toxic chemicals that can be found in some of the cosmetics that women wear....

http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar...health0206.htm

http://www.health-report.co.uk/EWG_m...ls_summary.htm

http://www.greenbiz.com/news/news_th...m?NewsID=34723

http://www.hallgold.com/toxic-chemic...-directory.htm

It may be a misplaced argument (since this is her R.I.P thread) but I completely agree with your logic.

You never said her mascara killed her.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

It may be a misplaced argument (since this is her R.I.P thread) but I completely agree with your logic.

You never said her mascara killed her.

posts 15 and 27 folks...reading is fundamental.....

[33girl]

That second link is very obviously a site to get you to buy a certain brand of "organic" cosmetics and toiletries. Hardly impartial.

The fourth link contains links to click on which get you back to...the second link.

"Organic" and "natural" does not mean safe or good for you. A dog is obviously a "natural" thing, but if you're allergic to dogs, it isn't good to be around one, is it? I bought some "natural" mascara from The Body Shop once and had a terrible reaction to it.

Don't buy the organic is good/chemicals are Satan hype. It's ridiculous.

[PeppyGPhiB]

All those stores and brands with signs and labels saying "Not tested on animals"? They're lying.

Everything put in commercial cosmetics (even the "organic" ones) has been tested on animals. The FDA mandates it. So how does The Body Shop and everyone else get away with their misleading statements? Well, technically they're telling the truth...they didn't actually hold a bunny still and apply mascara to its eyelashes. But all the chemicals that make up that mascara has at one time or another been tested on animals.

In my opinion it's a very dishonest marketing practice.

[Munchkin03]

You guys, I am so sad because of this. Ever since I was a little girl growing up on the Redneck Riviera, I loved Tammy Faye. This was a woman who didn't let some eye makeup get in the way of a good cry!

First Anna Nicole, and now Tammy Faye? What a year.

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

All those stores and brands with signs and labels saying "Not tested on animals"? They're lying.

Everything put in commercial cosmetics (even the "organic" ones) has been tested on animals. The FDA mandates it. So how does The Body Shop and everyone else get away with their misleading statements? Well, technically they're telling the truth...they didn't actually hold a bunny still and apply mascara to its eyelashes. But all the chemicals that make up that mascara has at one time or another been tested on animals.

In my opinion it's a very dishonest marketing practice.

Yes and no. When, say, The Body Shop tells you that they don't test, it means that The Body Shop itself doesn't test. Companies DO make purchases from other companies that may or may not have tested.

[Soliloquy]

Originally Posted by 33girl

That second link is very obviously a site to get you to buy a certain brand of "organic" cosmetics and toiletries. Hardly impartial.

The fourth link contains links to click on which get you back to...the second link.

"Organic" and "natural" does not mean safe or good for you. A dog is obviously a "natural" thing, but if you're allergic to dogs, it isn't good to be around one, is it? I bought some "natural" mascara from The Body Shop once and had a terrible reaction to it.

Don't buy the organic is good/chemicals are Satan hype. It's ridiculous.

Beat me to it. Thanks.

There are some reasonable inferences people can make, then there are unreasonable ones. This whole hijack just really rubbed me the wrong way. I mean to even suggest or "throw out the idea" that too much makeup can create toxins in one's body that can generate cancer is simply offensive. Or then again, maybe I'm just touchy about it because I'm a cancer survivor and I don't like the idea that because I wore make-up, I bought it upon myself. Maybe, Senusret, that is the reason I am being condescending towards a concept that literally makes no sense. I don't understand how logic can lead a person to infer that make-up weakened one's immune system enough to bring on colon cancer. I mean c'mon.. it's make-up!! MAKE-UP!!!! Millions of women wear it! Heck, maybe even billions. No reported cases of cancer causing blush yet, and with those kind of numbers using a product, it would have happened by now.

Also, Daemon, your logic of "too much of something" isn't a scientfic statement. There was a time when people thought that too much tuna fish could cause cancer. The only time "too much of something" effects people's health would be things like exposure to nuclear radiation, asbestos, and other scientifically proven harmful agents. Now if Ms. Faye had been exposed to an agent like that, and you had mentioned that might have been a contributing factor (yes, I can read thank you very much) to her death, you might be correct. Anyway, your links are not scholarly proof that provide you a basis to tell me in 10 years "I told you so."

Honey, I personally know that cervical cancer is also generated by causes other than HPV. I was just making a contrasting statement to demonstrate a point

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Soliloquy

Or then again, maybe I'm just touchy about it because I'm a cancer survivor and I don't like the idea that because I wore make-up, I bought it upon myself.

Dude, he never said that.


But earlier, you said:

Originally Posted by Soliloquy

Are you really naive enough to believe that make-up companies would be in business if their products were toxic?

Well hell, tobacco companies are still in business.

Look, far be it from me to be insensitive to a cancer survivor, but if it bothers you this much, then maybe you don't need to be in this discussion. There are several, if not plenty of people on this board and in this discussion who are cancer survivors or have been directly affected by it. And don't try to limit discussion because of your perception of whether people's opinions are scientific enough. Given the Tuskegee experiments, I have every right to be skeptical of any and everything related to science.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Soliloquy

Beat me to it. Thanks.

There are some reasonable inferences people can make, then there are unreasonable ones. This whole hijack just really rubbed me the wrong way. I mean to even suggest or "throw out the idea" that too much makeup can create toxins in one's body that can generate cancer is simply offensive. Or then again, maybe I'm just touchy about it because I'm a cancer survivor and I don't like the idea that because I wore make-up, I bought it upon myself. Maybe, Senusret, that is the reason I am being condescending towards a concept that literally makes no sense. I don't understand how logic can lead a person to infer that make-up weakened one's immune system enough to bring on colon cancer. I mean c'mon.. it's make-up!! MAKE-UP!!!! Millions of women wear it! Heck, maybe even billions. No reported cases of cancer causing blush yet, and with those kind of numbers using a product, it would have happened by now.

Also, Daemon, your logic of "too much of something" isn't a scientfic statement. There was a time when people thought that too much tuna fish could cause cancer. The only time "too much of something" effects people's health would be things like exposure to nuclear radiation, asbestos, and other scientifically proven harmful agents. Now if Ms. Faye had been exposed to an agent like that, and you had mentioned that might have been a contributing factor (yes, I can read thank you very much) to her death, you might be correct. Anyway, your links are not scholarly proof that provide you a basis to tell me in 10 years "I told you so."

Honey, I personally know that cervical cancer is also generated by causes other than HPV. I was just making a contrasting statement to demonstrate a point

All those are good points but I never said anything to the tune of "scientific evidence states..." as a matter of fact....as I recall when I first brought it up...I asked if there were any experts on what I mentioned, please come forward.

Too much of something is good logic whether u like it or not...

If you drink too much alcohol u may get alcohol poisoning

You smoke too much you may get lung cancer.

You eat too much you may develop obesity or heart problems

You take too many drugs you may become addicted.

You do too much of ANYTHING there may be consequences are repercussions for whatever it is you do and I don't need a Ph. D. +1000 pages to prove that as scientific...it's called common sense.

The links weren't meant to be 100% proof...they did the same thing that I just did....stated that it's quite possible that exposure to too much makeup COULD BE toxic to your health.

Fact is, we may never know what brought on her cancer since her body has already been cremated but with everything else that she had going on (stress from running a highly visible TV ministry, stress from a divorce, stress from drug abuse.....shoot...just plain ol' stress....) she was BLESSED to live as long as she did!