Answer to the Iota Theta Eta Question....

[RozRochelle]

Those of us who are Christians are one in the Body of Christ, despite our different approaches, and we have a responsibility to support and uphold one another, especially when one of us comes under attack as ITE did. Whom among us believers - besides me and the OP's sorors - have come on here and offered ITE public support and encouragement in the face of the ridicule and mockery they have received?

But how many believers were quick to jump down my throat for what I said in my response to the OP -- yet ignoring the topic of the thread? Even an admitted non-believer has been more positive than ITE's fellow GC Christians. If I am wrong, show me, I will gladly admit it.

ITE doesn't have to get an invite to Stomp Fest (whatever that is, if it's even a real event), but some kind of encouragement from other Christians would be nice, and I'm sure appreciated. As a whole, I feel GC's Christians have left their sisters in Christ blowing in the wind. That is not the way of our Lord when it comes to His people.

Originally Posted by pinkies up

Support for what?? What you want us to do? Invite them to Stomp Fest?

[AKA_Monet]

1. A website does NOT make or break a SORORITY.

Although quite "pretty", the story and font basis of the sorority's website is lost in the discussion, which made it too confusing. Moreover, I have to read font from non-contrasting colors that causes me to squint.

Well, I surf to more important websites related to my career, I do not feel like reading all that information I could not get it in 2-4 bullet points.

2. People do not care what your confession of faith is. Most of us are under the United States constitution and believe in freedom of religion. That includes those who are decidedly atheists. That does not constitute YOUR judgement.

3. An organization's legitimacy CANNOT be predicated and relayed to others by only YOUR epistemologies. You may convince SOME individuals to join, but it seems the organizations that are lasting are about the true meaning of Christ's mission and Church.

How much are you willing to sacrifice for Christ? Your life?

[epchick]

Originally Posted by RozRochelle

...but some kind of encouragement from other Christians would be nice, and I'm sure appreciated. As a whole, I feel GC's Christians have left their sisters in Christ blowing in the wind. That is not the way of our Lord when it comes to His people.

Wow, i guess i must have missed that part of scripture...

Is it essential to the life of ITE that you get GC support?

And i just gotta jump on the bandwagon--I wasn't aware that I had to proclaim that Jesus Christ is my Lord and personal Savior in a forum for fraternity and sorority organizations.

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by epchick

I wasn't aware that I had to proclaim that Jesus Christ is my Lord and personal Savior in a forum for fraternity and sorority organizations.

And don't forget the part where we also have to support an organization that judges other sororities on its national website while also admitting to know nothing about them. I guess I'm missing that page of the Bible...?

[RozRochelle]

I just want to make it clear that I'm not a member of ITE. But, as they are Christians, they are my sisters in Christ and that's why I'm speaking up.

Is it essential to them to have GC support? In my non-ITE opinion, I hope not. But, also in my opinion, I think it would have been nice if other Christians on GC had shown them some support, especially since they were being ridiculed primarily on the basis of their Christian beliefs.

I'm not addressing the rest of what you wrote.

Originally Posted by epchick

Wow, i guess i must have missed that part of scripture...

Is it essential to the life of ITE that you get GC support?

And i just gotta jump on the bandwagon--I wasn't aware that I had to proclaim that Jesus Christ is my Lord and personal Savior in a forum for fraternity and sorority organizations.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by RozRochelle

I just want to make it clear that I'm not a member of ITE. But, as they are Christians, they are my sisters in Christ and that's why I'm speaking up.

Is it essential to them to have GC support? In my non-ITE opinion, I hope not. But, also in my opinion, I think it would have been nice if other Christians on GC had shown them some support, especially since they were being ridiculed primarily on the basis of their Christian beliefs.

I'm not addressing the rest of what you wrote.

One's religion does not mean that one is right in what one does.
Doing something in the name of one's religion or one's God does not mean that one is right in what one does.
Doing the right thing is doing something for God.

No one was ridiculing them based on their Christian beliefs, but on their poor use of Greek, their insulting attitude toward other sororities and yes, that the entire sorority from improper Greek letters (TWICE) to the pledging process was divinely inspired. Even then, most people said that if it worked for them, so be it, but thankfully God gave us the ability to think that something is weird as hell.

I am not honor bound as a Christian to support another Christian regardless of her actions. I do not support priests who molest children, preachers who have affairs and do drugs, or Christians who forget Jesus' lessons on humility. If God had wanted sheep he wouldn't have given us free will.

(And if you've missed the many discussions about religion on here, you aren't looking. Don't open your mouth and claim things like you did if you don't educate yourself first. )

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

One's religion does not mean that one is right in what one does.
Doing something in the name of one's religion or one's God does not mean that one is right in what one does.
Doing the right thing is doing something for God.

No one was ridiculing them based on their Christian beliefs, but on their poor use of Greek, their insulting attitude toward other sororities and yes, that the entire sorority from improper Greek letters (TWICE) to the pledging process was divinely inspired. Even then, most people said that if it worked for them, so be it, but thankfully God gave us the ability to think that something is weird as hell.

I am not honor bound as a Christian to support another Christian regardless of her actions. I do not support priests who molest children, preachers who have affairs and do drugs, or Christians who forget Jesus' lessons on humility. If God had wanted sheep he wouldn't have given us free will.

(And if you've missed the many discussions about religion on here, you aren't looking. Don't open your mouth and claim things like you did if you don't educate yourself first. )

Ms. Drolle,

It doesn't matter how well you explain something to them, they fail to understand... I've tried several times and they have called me "all kinna names but a child of God..." Their MO is to belittle others for self-aggrandizement. I don't care if they disagree with me or anyone else, but they cannot debate and argue point by point. Then they want YOUR gratification for saying they cannot argue your points with a personal attacks...

Good luck though!

I am just wondering where all the Rev. Fred Hatcher Ministries cult members--I mean membership are...

They just bash the NPHC Sororities--guess we are the easiest since we were founded by African American women nearly 100 years ago...

ETA: good post though! Really interesting POV...

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by moe.ron

Anybody got the cliffnote?

"You don't know me/us. Don't hate."

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Ms. Drolle,

It doesn't matter how well you explain something to them, they fail to understand... I've tried several times and they have called me "all kinna names but a child of God..." Their MO is to belittle others for self-aggrandizement. I don't care if they disagree with me or anyone else, but they cannot debate and argue point by point. Then they want YOUR gratification for saying they cannot argue your points with a personal attacks...

Good luck though!

I am just wondering where all the Rev. Fred Hatcher Ministries cult members--I mean membership are...

They just bash the NPHC Sororities--guess we are the easiest since we were founded by African American women nearly 100 years ago...

ETA: good post though! Really interesting POV...

Thanks, I'll be honest, this "type" of Christian, the one always telling everyone else how to be, how to be "saved", how to have a "personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior" generally gets under my skin. Possibly it's the Catholic in me yelling at the young punks to get off my lawn. Many times I just roll my eyes and move on, but I felt like posting this time. (Perhaps the Spirit moved me )


The funny thing about them bashing the D4 is that I've always seen less of the drinking and partying stereotype associated with those orgs than associated with the NPC. I mean, at least bash the real party girls, right?

(On a side note, can no one spell my name right? Drole, Fille. I know it's french, but there are plenty of people who don't have words in their names. Nothing personal, it's just that I'm always Drolefile, or drollfille or something else. It's "funny girl" in French. NOT THAT HARD. *vented*)

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

(On a side note, can no one spell my name right? Drole, Fille. I know it's french, but there are plenty of people who don't have words in their names. Nothing personal, it's just that I'm always Drolefile, or drollfille or something else. It's "funny girl" in French. NOT THAT HARD. *vented*)

Pardon Madmoiselle.

That is the best I can do without copious amounts of alcohol... And I should know how to spell your name. I do know what it means...

[Educatingblue]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

"You don't know me/us. Don't hate."

Thanks, I'll be honest, this "type" of Christian, the one always telling everyone else how to be, how to be "saved", how to have a "personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior" generally gets under my skin. Possibly it's the Catholic in me yelling at the young punks to get off my lawn.

The funny thing about them bashing the D4 is that I've always seen less of the drinking and partying stereotype associated with those orgs than associated with the NPC. I mean, at least bash the real party girls, right?

I was thinking the same thing!

[Sock Puppet2]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I am just wondering where all the Rev. Fred Hatcher Ministries cult members--I mean membership are...

FHITY? = Fred Hatchett is this you?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Sock Puppet2

FHITY? = Fred Hatchett is this you?

Yes. We got it the first time you posted it in the other thread.

[FAMUDva]

My question to OP, why a GLO?

Why the following statement re:Can you be a member of a Divine 9 or other GLOS and become a member of Iota Theta Eta?

RE: Other orgs not allowing members to be memebers in other GLO- Chile, this AIN'T TRUE! I have Sorors that are members of other organizations... some on GC!

You say you don't consider yourself exclusive- In a previous FAQ, you said you MUST be a Christian, so that is exclusive, or am I missing something?

Reading this section of your FAQ had me puzzled SERIOUSLY... I'm not in the habit of making fun of anyone. I just don't understand why it's appropriate to validate your organization based on someone else's or other's organizations. I'm asking serious questions.

TIA for your kind response.

ETA: In respect of your end statement on the page, I removed exact copy paste to make my point.

[Kelouis75]

Originally Posted by FAMUDva

My question to OP, why a GLO?

Why the following statement re:Can you be a member of a Divine 9 or other GLOS and become a member of Iota Theta Eta?

RE: Other orgs not allowing members to be memebers in other GLO- Chile, this AIN'T TRUE! I have Sorors that are members of other organizations... some on GC!

You say you don't consider yourself exclusive- In a previous FAQ, you said you MUST be a Christian, so that is exclusive, or am I missing something?

Reading this section of your FAQ had me puzzled SERIOUSLY... I'm not in the habit of making fun of anyone. I just don't understand why it's appropriate to validate your organization based on someone else's or other's organizations. I'm asking serious questions.

TIA for your kind response.

ETA: In respect of your end statement on the page, I removed exact copy paste to make my point.

Hey FAMUDva:

I think you know I have real respect for you (and for other LHCF/D9 individuals). Deep respect. As you may know, I have acquaintances across the religious lines as well.

But in my personal experience-- a statement of faith is the exception-- not the rule to most GLOs. The way ITE has been ridiculed on GC is a sure example of that. I find that people love to make fun of Christians-- but don't let them dare say something about another group without the fear of not being called PC.

Anyway, Christ is the standard in my life. In Him, I live, I move and have my being. He is my everything. Some people think it's wierd, but I let them-- because I have a peace that can not be described. A peace that many people are still seeking... This is the reason I chose a CGLO and in particular ITE. These women have never had a bad word to say about anyone-- especially other sisters.

With ITE, a strong testiment of faith is the rule-- and I think it's going back to the roots of what some D9s were founded on. A strong faith in God and a strong desire to serve the community.

Unfortuately-- in my personal experience-- I have seen greeks come a far way from these virtues. With the only excuse being offered up "those were bad apples".

I know "bad" and "good" apples happen as groups get larger-- so this does not speak to certain individuals who make up the groups. But as a whole I've found these groups have been a hostile environment for people who want to take their faith to a deeper level. (ie the name calling-- wierdos, Bible thumpers were even used here on GC I believe)

However, with ITE it was different for me. Since we are small, and we require that our members be on one accord spiritually (with the Bible being our final authority) I think it really shapes the character of our group.

Never once do you see us say on the site that there are not other Christians out there. We merely say that we can only speak to what's going on within our organization. I think some people took these statements and blew them out of the water. Which, quite frankly, we expect some people would do. For those people, we just pray (Not out of malice, but with the love of Jesus in our hearts).

As I have stated b4 my Mom, Aunt and Father are 3 Christian people who pledged D9, that I know personally. That's just the tip. Others in our group, know and fellowship with Christians in other sororities. In fact, that's how we found out about the drama-- A Christian sister outside of our sorority informed us.

Our only criteria is that our members must profess a TRUE devotion to God. With other sororities invisible lines about how you look, how much money you have, what kind of clothes you wear, who's your mama, who's your mama's mama, etc-- are the demarcations. It's sad but in many respects it's still true. Hey, I'm just being real and if people want to be mad at me, well they'll just be mad. With Christians--it should not be that way.

Our one criteria-- truly wanting to please God-- is crucial to our core mission and values. As you know, the Bible states there are "wheat and weeds" in the church. Ones who truly seek to please God and honor Him in every area of their lives are the wheat.

This does not mean "wheat" won't make mistakes, it just means that when they do-- they acknowlege them AND they seek to stop making the same ones repeatedly.

As some people mentioned, there is history between the "church" and BGLOs. A lot of what is on our website speaks from the Holy Spirit to that discussion. (some of y'all may not get that-- and it's okay) It's not a matter of validating our group. Our relationship with God has already done that for us...

If people are outside of those two BGLO or BC, people will not be familiar with this ongoing discussion between the groups.

We're not here to defend ourselves, just here to answer sincere questions. 'Cause frankly we'll just continue doing what we feel lead to do.

Now that I've written you a tome LOL--- HTH & thanks for your sincerity.

With kind regards

[LPIDelta]

Originally Posted by RozRochelle

But how many believers were quick to jump down my throat for what I said in my response to the OP -- yet ignoring the topic of the thread? Even an admitted non-believer has been more positive than ITE's fellow GC Christians. If I am wrong, show me, I will gladly admit it.

I'll admit that I saw the original thread and that I thought about saying something as a Christian--but I have learned that people on this board are going to do whatever they want (its a public board, why not?), and sometimes they will pick just for the sake of picking. I come here to talk about Greek life, not spirituality. It really doesn't change any minds engaging in back and forth on most issues on an internet chat board, especially this one, because most of the players are skilled at taking your words apart and finding discrepancies (really, some of these GCers should be lawyers and detectives!)

Sometimes not getting involved at all is the higher road. Save yourself the heartburn and walk away from this argument--it won't work.