"The Dreaded Phone Call"

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

So much of the authenticity of MS standards really does depend on the chapter, especially the undergraduate leadership, too. (Are you choosing this PNM because she really is a great girl or because her brother or boyfriend is in a fraternity that you want to have more socials with? Both things help the group, but to me, one seems more legitimate than the other. If you are chapter that does consider her connections on campus, consider her connections at home as well, is all I'd say.)

This was similar to my earlier point. We all want girls who will be involved in the chapter and on campus, who will get good grades, who won't do anything embarrassing, and who will treat other sisters with respect and kindness.

When undergraduate women on either side of a large competitive rush talk about a poor "fit", IMO, they are generally referring to either appearance or sociability. This is true of both the chapter's view of a rushee and a rushee's view of the chapter. Unfortunately, a lot of decisions are made on the basis of "fit", which is really a meaningless concept. Some of you will say there may be a sporty house, or a studious house, or whatever, but I honestly do not think that is the case in chapters with over 100 women; they have women of all types.

So my point is not that you should choose a legacy over someone who honestly better meets the objective criteria for membership. It is that you should consider legacy status to be more important than some of the subjective stuff which really doesn't tell you much about how good a member the woman will turn out to be.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

So my point is not that you should choose a legacy over someone who honestly better meets the objective criteria for membership. It is that you should consider legacy status to be more important than some of the subjective stuff which really doesn't tell you much about how good a member the woman will turn out to be.

I don't think legacy status tells you how good a member a woman will turn out to be either...see honeychile's story. And even if the legacy is someone who wants to pledge, there's no guarantee she won't turn out to be a giant waste of space. I realize there are a lot more "just members" in large chapters - women who never hold office or do anything more than the minimum - but if you keep pledging legacies just because they're legacies, and don't take into account things you take into account w/ other rushees (like personality or grades or involvement) eventually you might end up with a whole chapter full of 100 "just members" and no one with leadership qualities.

Please don't think I'm saying all legacies are like this - far from it - but the thing is, I think I would hate to be chosen for something just because of who my mother or sister was, if someone didn't really want me or I didn't measure up.

[UGAalum94]

33Girl,

I may be wrong, but when I read DeltaBetaBaby's post, I think she's completely agree with you. It's the stuff that"fit" sometimes used to describe that, rather than anything more objective, she thinks you might need to look hard at in the case of legacies.

As near as I can tell, there's nobody who thinks that legacies should get bids just because they are legacies. (unless their my hypothetical legacies, in which case that should be more than enough.) If there's reason to believe that another girl has stronger leadership traits, that's a totally valid thing to consider. Someone else begin cuter if the legacy is cute herself, not so much, IMO.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

33Girl,

I may be wrong, but when I read DeltaBetaBaby's post, I think she's completely agree with you. It's the stuff that"fit" sometimes used to describe that, rather than anything more objective, she thinks you might need to look hard at in the case of legacies.

As near as I can tell, there's nobody who thinks that legacies should get bids just because they are legacies. (unless their my hypothetical legacies, in which case that should be more than enough.) If there's reason to believe that another girl has stronger leadership traits, that's a totally valid thing to consider. Someone else begin cuter if the legacy is cute herself, not so much, IMO.

Yes, this is exactly what I meant. If two girls were both involved in high school, get good grades, and want to live in the house/be officers, you should put the one who is a legacy over the one who happens to be a little more outgoing during rush.