Vick indicted in dog fighting case

[ForeverRoses]

I hope they make an example of him.

NPR had several stories about dog fighting this morning and they interviewed an animal control officer from somewhere in Texas. They said that the dogfighting rings are harder to infiltrate than the drug rings.

[UGAalum94]

I had always assumed that efforts to ban Pit Bulls were about their unpredictable aggression, and how they and Rottweilers seemed to kill at least one kid a year, maybe more. And as an owner of some big dogs, I'm nervous about the idea of banning breeds because of their potential for violences, rather than addressing the dogs who showed the trait.

I'm not usually looking for more government regulation, but I don't think that animal abuse in the form of dog fighting or the methods that they (allegedly?)used to kill the dogs who lost should be tolerated in our society. If banning or very strictly regulating the breed would make it enforcement easier, maybe people who really love pit bulls should consider that they are better off not in the hands of dog fighters, even if it means that few others can own them either?

(Basically, I'm assuming that with a bane, someone seeing a Pit Bull will give probable cause for an investigation.)

[SoEnchanting]

Originally Posted by angelic1

I think some people may need to realize though that this is a lot more prevalent than what you think... that does not mean it should be accepted though.

Dog fighting for many in urban, high crime rate areas and even rural areas is something that they have grown up around. Something that at an early age they saw and began to accept. I think Chicago has some of the highest numbers in the reports.

So when I hear comments from other players on tv about dog fighting being seen as almost normal while it might seem odd to some. Others take it as almost this sub culture and it appears that many players in the NFL participate in it.

In more rural area these fights usually take place at night in areas hidden and not really spoken about. The same goes for cock fighting around here (which I find more common where I am from). In more urban areas they are usually on back streets. So it usually pretty hard for law enforcement to get warrents and find enough evidence to convict someone on dog fighting (most times they are just charged with animal cruelty).

I think that due to his big name that they are going to make an example of him to show that this should not be tolerated...

I agree with this statement. I know it went on where I am from, so I understand how some people may not think of it as the brutal activity it really is.

BUT just because something goes on still doesn't make it right.

Originally Posted by Rudey

Dogs are about genetic manipulation and breeding. These dogs were bred to fight and kill. What don't you understand? Race is about stereotypes.

Unless you're equating non-whites to dogs now and also believe that one race is genetically superior? I wouldn't put it past you. You're not a thinker.

-Rudey

Rudey for some reason I find your ignorance irritating (instead of the usual entertaining commentary around here). Neither one of my dogs were bred to fight and kill, and neither were the puppies of my friends who have pit bulls. Stop believing everything you see on the 10 o'clock news - all pit bulls are not violent or mean. Hell, your aunt Martha's chihuaua is probably more vicious than my dog. Unfortunately, pits are bigger and stronger than your average dog, and so they are more appealing to some really awful people. That is what creates tragic situations like this Vick case - violent and irresponsible owners.

Stop stereotyping the breed, because the "Pits are violent, murderous animals" thing is simply not true. Some are, but not all.

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by SoEnchanting

Rudey for some reason I find your ignorance irritating (instead of the usual entertaining commentary around here). Neither one of my dogs were bred to fight and kill, and neither were the puppies of my friends who have pit bulls. Stop believing everything you see on the 10 o'clock news - all pit bulls are not violent or mean. Hell, your aunt Martha's chihuaua is probably more vicious than my dog. Unfortunately, pits are bigger and stronger than your average dog, and so they are more appealing to some really awful people. That is what creates tragic situations like this Vick case - violent and irresponsible owners.

Stop stereotyping the breed, because the "Pits are violent, murderous animals" thing is simply not true. Some are, but not all.

It's fine if you find it irritating. The fact of the matter is that people don't realize that genetic manipulation has been most prevalent in dog breeding. Forget about vegetables and human babies. Dogs have been bred to achieve certain traits, irregardless of how it affects society or their own health (ie some dogs have severe health problems and shorter lives but look a certain way for their owners).

Is that the truth? Yes. Is it irritating? I don't care.

Now there is absolutely no reason to breed a dog to be able to attack and kill better. You can have that same love for a dog regardless of the breed. Am I wrong here or are you just irritated because you own one? Whether or not humans use them to fight has no relevance because if they used a smaller dog to fight, it would cause a lot less damage. It's the same principal - we don't put automatic machine guns in the hands of felons knowingly and think it's OK.

-Rudey

[macallan25]

What a joke. It's a T-Shirt.

[Redraidergirl]

They actually had a hearing yesterday and they are just on Disiplinary Suspension...
they can reform at the start of next fall.
the only reason it is a big deal is b.c they were denied permission to sell the shirts in the first place, and decided to sell them anyway....
and also this came at a time where Tech is trying to improve its image to outsiders... Compared to A&M and UT people see us as rude, 'classless clowns.' and yes going to tech i agree we are rude for no reason.
that being said. i thought the shirts we hilarious.... would i buy one.... no...
but thats just me...
WRECK EM!

[macallan25]

What's the deal with selling T-Shirts up there. I've been to several sorority functions at Tech and have bought t-shirts that were made by the houses on plenty of occasions.

Not seeing how this is any different.

[genesis412]

^Because someone always has to have something to bitch/protest about. Look at recent events all over the nation...
Granted, I'm not saying the shirts are right/wrong but honestly, It's a joke. It's not like they're going to do what Vick did.

[sigmadiva]

I'm a Texas Aggie and I'm offended. Not so much that it is 'just a t-shirt', but what the t-shirt represents - that Tech should do to the Aggies what Vick did to those dogs. To me that is what the t-shirt implies.

To make light of how the dogs were treated by Vick and his associates is just tasteless and tacky. If these fraternity men are all about honor, truth and whatnot, then they would have never thought to do the shirt.

[genesis412]

Someone will always be offended, no matter what is done. The shirts could have daises and monkeys and someone will find a reason to be offended. Like I said, it's not like they're actually going to do what Vick did. Why are so many Americans sensitive to everything? People (in general) really need to grow thicker skin. Now, if the Theta Chis or whomever printed the tees do partake in dog fighting, then I can see a reason for reprimand. If it was THAT big of the deal, the company that printed the shirts would not have done so.

I am an animal lover but I personally don't see what the big deal is. No animals were harmed in the making of the t-shirts.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by genesis412

Someone will always be offended, no matter what is done. The shirts could have daises and monkeys and someone will find a reason to be offended. Like I said, it's not like they're actually going to do what Vick did. Why are so many Americans sensitive to everything? People (in general) really need to grow thicker skin. Now, if the Theta Chis or whomever printed the tees do partake in dog fighting, then I can see a reason for reprimand. If it was THAT big of the deal, the company that printed the shirts would not have done so.

I am an animal lover but I personally don't see what the big deal is. No animals were harmed in the making of the t-shirts.

No sweat. Some people have empathy, some people don't. :shrugs:

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I'm a Texas Aggie and I'm offended. Not so much that it is 'just a t-shirt', but what the t-shirt represents - that Tech should do to the Aggies what Vick did to those dogs. To me that is what the t-shirt implies.

Maybe it's a metaphor? Or, y'know, not literal?

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

To make light of how the dogs were treated by Vick and his associates is just tasteless and tacky. If these fraternity men are all about honor, truth and whatnot, then they would have never thought to do the shirt.

Tasteless and tacky does not mean dishonorable or deceitful. This is a total strawman.

"Making light" of something is pretty much the American way - should I become moribund every time I'm around a dog? Maybe I'll take a moment of silence for their pitbull brethren . . .

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Maybe it's a metaphor? Or, y'know, not literal?



Tasteless and tacky does not mean dishonorable or deceitful. This is a total strawman.

"Making light" of something is pretty much the American way - should I become moribund every time I'm around a dog? Maybe I'll take a moment of silence for their pitbull brethren . . .

Do as you wish. Another great American way. I just expressed my feelings on the topic.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I'm a Texas Aggie and I'm offended. Not so much that it is 'just a t-shirt', but what the t-shirt represents - that Tech should do to the Aggies what Vick did to those dogs. To me that is what the t-shirt implies.

To make light of how the dogs were treated by Vick and his associates is just tasteless and tacky. If these fraternity men are all about honor, truth and whatnot, then they would have never thought to do the shirt.

Be honest. You're just upset because A&M students have a freakish obsession with a dog that is mildly disturbing.


Maybe I should try to put a stop to A&M's "Saw 'Em Off" stickers with our mascot's horns cut in half. As a Texas student and lover of all things bovine it shocks and appalls me.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Be honest. You're just upset because A&M students have a freakish obsession with a dog that is mildly disturbing.

No more disturbing that U Texas' freakish obsession with a cow. Tell me again, how did Bevo get it's name.....?

Maybe I should try to put a stop to A&M's "Saw 'Em Off" stickers with our mascot's horns cut in half. As a Texas student and lover of all things bovine it shocks and appalls me.

Your school tried that already, and failed. But hey, maybe you can get that movement started again.