OU forced to forfeit all 2005 wins . . .

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

"On Aug. 3 -- the day before the Sooners began preseason practice -- Stoops dismissed Bomar and Quinn from the team after the university determined they had been paid for work not performed at Big Red Sports and Imports."

Oops. We bought a car for our son from these guys when he was at Oklahoma.

I'm disappointed in you DA.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm disappointed in you DA.

Actually, it was a pretty good deal.

We just sold it.

Sounds like the players had a pretty good deal, too. No work and good pay.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Actually, it was a pretty good deal.

We just sold it.

Sounds like the players had a pretty good deal, too. No work and good pay.

Anyone who doesn't think this goes on at every major program in the nation is naive as heck. Hundred dollar handshakes and things of that nature happen in every program, even the small ones.

If colleges would just pay the damn athletes, we could all stop pretending this stuff doesn't really happen.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Anyone who doesn't think this goes on at every major program in the nation is naive as heck. Hundred dollar handshakes and things of that nature happen in every program, even the small ones.

If colleges would just pay the damn athletes, we could all stop pretending this stuff doesn't really happen.

I think most colleges would be happy to -- but let's all hide behind the NCAA rules a while longer.

[shinerbock]

I'd just like to see some of the nations powerhouses get their fair share. Unless you're an SEC powerhouse, it seems the NCAA is pretty hesitant.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I'd just like to see some of the nations powerhouses get their fair share. Unless you're an SEC powerhouse, it seems the NCAA is pretty hesitant.

The thing is -- SEC schools don't understand the concept of protecting their competitor schools for the sake of the conference. Instead, they incessantly investigate and report on their fellow schools.. well.. mostly Tennessee and Alabama do this to each other. When they actually do turn up some malfeasance, which is something that accompanies every single Division I school in the country, they sort of force the NCAA to act.

It's crap, but those schools bring it on themselves. Tell your alums to stop acting like douchebags. Problem solved.

[sueali]

While I do not work at an SEC program, I am an administrator for a D-I athletic department(not the institution in my signature, but I did work for their athletic department for 4 years), and I would just like to comment that Oklahoma was monitoring student-athlete employment the same way that every other school in the country is monitoring their employment, pretty much the student-athlete gets a form (that details ncaa rules, including must be paid for actual work performed and how much they will be paid) from their compliance office fills it out takes the form to their supervisor and has the supervisor sign the form acknowledging that they understand the NCAA rules.

Yes, all programs are cheating and are dirty, but sometimes it isn't because they are trying to be dirty, it is because it is nearly impossible to monitor all of the NCAA rules pertaining to the programs. I do not possibly have the time to drive around to every student-athletes place of employment and make sure they are actually showing up to work.

Oh and I am also waiting for USC to get theirs and Duke too.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The thing is -- SEC schools don't understand the concept of protecting their competitor schools for the sake of the conference. Instead, they incessantly investigate and report on their fellow schools.. well.. mostly Tennessee and Alabama do this to each other. When they actually do turn up some malfeasance, which is something that accompanies every single Division I school in the country, they sort of force the NCAA to act.

It's crap, but those schools bring it on themselves. Tell your alums to stop acting like douchebags. Problem solved.

This isn't the problem. I don't care if SEC schools get in trouble, but I do care when the NCAA has USC on a silver platter and drags their feet.

Its more than just Tenn and Bama now. Well, most of it involves Bama, but LSU has for sure gotten in on it now that Saban is at UAT.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Anyone who doesn't think this goes on at every major program in the nation is naive as heck. Hundred dollar handshakes and things of that nature happen in every program, even the small ones.

If colleges would just pay the damn athletes, we could all stop pretending this stuff doesn't really happen.

I agree - the real issue is the level of athletic department or team "awareness" (more likely influence) . . . really, the separation between teams is more on the level of what they are willing to ignore or forgive, rather than whether they're all 'clean' or not.

College football and basketball are incredibly dirty, there's no doubt about it.

I don't know that paying players will really end it, though - is the pay based on performance? It would have to be 'standardized' to prevent the rich from getting richer as it were, which would just lead to the same sort of tipping and payouts. I don't know that there's really a solution at all.