10 Politically Incorrect Truths About Human Nature

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by zchi2

Are my friends and I the only ones who believes women with darker features look better? I have seen very few blondes that I thought looked attractive... No offense to the blondes out there.

No matter what this article writer says, statistically you're in the majority.

In fact interracial faces are typically the most attractive!

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

No matter what this article writer says, statistically you're in the majority.

In fact interracial faces are typically the most attractive!

Cite? This is interesting

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Cite? This is interesting

I'll have to see if I can find one, it's just one of those things I've learned in class at some point throughout the years. Something about the blend of features and middle toned complexion.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'll have to see if I can find one, it's just one of those things I've learned in class at some point throughout the years. Something about the blend of features and middle toned complexion.

sometimes yes, but sometimes - really really no. (Of course, Glitter650 is one of the yeses.)

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

sometimes yes, but sometimes - really really no. (Of course, Glitter650 is one of the yeses.)

Oh there's a spectrum like anything else. I'll try to find it when I get home, but it was one of those attractiveness studies... Similarly you're more attractive if your face is more symmetrical.

(And I mean you in the general sense and attractive in an on the average statistical sense.)

[Still BLUTANG]

most people i know are attracted to people who look (generally) like them. tall people and tall people, light eyes with light eyes, etc. it makes sense but at the same time it's kinda gross. i have a good friend who is dating a girl that they could honestly go for brother and sister. yuck!

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'll have to see if I can find one, it's just one of those things I've learned in class at some point throughout the years. Something about the blend of features and middle toned complexion.

Yeah, this is actually what I was going to post - all the scientific work I've seen done on attractiveness suggests that it's in fact balance and symmetry that matters "most" on the whole.

This would perhaps indicate that a balanced (middle-toned) complexion and 'mixed' features that do not sway wildly toward any extremes would fit within the 'symmetry' model (if we allow it to extend to balance as well, which I think is reasonable) - but that seems like a side note of sorts to the actual phenomenon.

This is why the citation is interesting to me - it's a causation/correlation thing, I'd like to see how the study was performed and what the conclusions were. It's a very interesting topic.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Yeah, this is actually what I was going to post - all the scientific work I've seen done on attractiveness suggests that it's in fact balance and symmetry that matters "most" on the whole.

This would perhaps indicate that a balanced (middle-toned) complexion and 'mixed' features that do not sway wildly toward any extremes would fit within the 'symmetry' model (if we allow it to extend to balance as well, which I think is reasonable) - but that seems like a side note of sorts to the actual phenomenon.

This is why the citation is interesting to me - it's a causation/correlation thing, I'd like to see how the study was performed and what the conclusions were. It's a very interesting topic.

Yeah, I'll find it if I can Everything you're saying is spot on, and I agree that it might be the balance of features between extremes. Perhaps also an indication of a well mixed gene pool? I wish I could remember off the top of my head.

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Yeah, this is actually what I was going to post - all the scientific work I've seen done on attractiveness suggests that it's in fact balance and symmetry that matters "most" on the whole.

This would perhaps indicate that a balanced (middle-toned) complexion and 'mixed' features that do not sway wildly toward any extremes would fit within the 'symmetry' model (if we allow it to extend to balance as well, which I think is reasonable) - but that seems like a side note of sorts to the actual phenomenon.

This is why the citation is interesting to me - it's a causation/correlation thing, I'd like to see how the study was performed and what the conclusions were. It's a very interesting topic.

There was an article about how they'd proven that symmetry was wrong. I can't find the link and I don't remember where I read it but it's out there.

-Rudey
--I think the link between blowjob enthusiasm and beauty is definitely clear and valid.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Rudey

There was an article about how they'd proven that symmetry was wrong. I can't find the link and I don't remember where I read it but it's out there.

-Rudey
--I think the link between blowjob enthusiasm and beauty is definitely clear and valid.

OK - I'll look when I have a minute.

Also, enthusiasm =/= looking up at you, amirite? AMIRITE?

[SWTXBelle]

AlphaFrog - pulling the adorable children card, eh? Not scientific, but too, too cute. My daughters had dresses like that one once upon a time - I'm going to my room to cry about my 17 year old daughter leaving next year . . .

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'll have to see if I can find one, it's just one of those things I've learned in class at some point throughout the years. Something about the blend of features and middle toned complexion.

Come on - who could resist these faces???

[Soliloquy]

That article really rubbed me the wrong way because not only did they fail to cite sources, it seemed like the twisted everything to further their personal agendas.

IN MY OPINION:

First off, we live in a patriarchal society propogated by society- not by basic human instincts. Think about it, if you turn on TV you will be hard pressed to find a show that does not contain a family where only the father works and the mother stays at home with the children. This particular father figure will carry on about sex and how is wife doesn't give him any, he will also favor is sons and lecture his daughters. If his son isn't stereotypically athletic or "manly" enough, the father will badger him. If his daughter is strong-willed and smart, the father will tease her. Seriously, a lot of shows have this basic concept. This just further enforces stereotypes about family lifestyle. You also don't even have to change the channel to see the marketing tools utilized by companies that also furthers the basic patriarchal concept. For example: A commercial dealing with cleaning products will almost exclusively feature females, while a product that requires some intelligence will feature males. If a commercial features the opposite of what I previously stated, it is generally for purposes of ridicule: i.e. a car insurance commerical where an inept female makes wrong choices until a male leads her to the company producing the commericial.


Now I say this is all based on society, NOT instinct, because there is proof that before western culture took over the world, matriarchal societies existed. There were numerous self-sustaining and successful Native American tribes where women where in charge. How do you explain that if, according to the authors, we are naturally dictated by the desire to allow men to rule/men to have multiple wives etc? In these Native American societies, it was WOMEN with multiple HUSBANDS, WOMEN who ran the show, and the WOMEN's tribal name was passed on. Truly, this is a more accurate way to create family lines because you will always know who your momma is, but you can never be fully sure who your dad is!!

Forms of media have always existed to further societal norms and gossip has been around since people could speak. Where do you think our ideas of beauty, that change every 20 years or so, come from? How are these evolutions explained by this study? According to the authors, these societal views of beauty should never change- since we all run on instinct given to us by our ancient counterparts. As Drolefile pointed out, heavier women were once considered gorgeous and genes adapted to create thicker women in (gee, thanks..ugh!). This isn't because of instinct, it was a reflection of the society that bore these concepts! Heavier women were more reveared in eras where poverty was prevalent in socio-econmoic status. This leads to my other point, blonde women were reveared because of their rarity, not because their hair indicated youth. Seriously, how many natural blondes do you know? Probably not a lot! Think of how uncommon it was when the geneotype first appeared! I am also pretty sure that I read in some book at school that some cultures would kill blondes because they suspected these people to be witches/devils due to their rarity. Stick a blonde in Africa, and the men will stare because of her uniqueness, not because they are programmed to find her attractive since her hair will tell her age


Organized religion, both modern and ancient, furthers the patriarchal "complex." Now I'm not knocking the concept of spirituality or the validity of holy works, especially since I have a very strong Christian faith. However, it doesn't take much work to see how churches manipulate texts to ensure that men stay in power. I won't go much further into this for fear of beginning a fire-storm of a debate, but if some posters are willing to have a casual posting session about this I will continue!

*steps off of soapbox*

[Dionysus]

Soliloquy,

I agree with some of the stuff you said, but I think it is dangerous to say that all of our behavior and preferences are propogated by society.

[Soliloquy]

Well no, not all of it. I believe that majority of human behavior is created from family environments. However, I do truly believe that society leaves its impression on people.

It is up to the parents to make sure their children understand the differences and nurture them to formulate their own opinions about what is found in society. Granted, parents wont be able to override everything presented to a child throughout their years of education, but they can make a big difference in the way that material is comprehended.

I'm so glad I had the parents I did. I'm also glad to hear that there are parents like OneTime who actually get hands on with their kids, instead of letting the TV do the raising.