Cut because you're "too good"?

[sageofages]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

No. We would occasionally say, "oh, Suzie is the little sister of Annie, the President of XYZ, and Jake, the XYZ sweetheart, she is probably going to go XYZ", maybe we shouldn't waste an invite.

But we were never just like "oh, Suzie is too popular for us."

With the new recruitment return rules, this sort of discussion was very much evident in a couple of the selection sessions I assisted. Each invitation was critical, and to use it on a PNM who was so apparently interested in another group, and not invite a really interesting PNM was a source of great angst.

[KSUViolet06]

I agree with the whole release figures thing. When it gets down to figuring out who gets invited back, chapters are inclined to go with the PNMs that they feel will most likely accept an invite. When you know that someone is interested in another group, why bother?

Hence why we caution PNMs so much about not being too openly opinionated about chapters (i.e. posting on their Facebook "I want Theta or nothing!") because that can lead other chapters to not want to be bothered with wasting invites on them.

[violetpretty]

There is a difference between being intimidated by a PNM who is gorgeous, outgoing, accomplished etc. and talking to a PNM who ACTS snooty like she is too good for your chapter. I doubt the former would get cut, but probably the latter would get cut.

[susan314]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

There is a difference between being intimidated by a PNM who is gorgeous, outgoing, accomplished etc. and talking to a PNM who ACTS snooty like she is too good for your chapter. I doubt the former would get cut, but probably the latter would get cut.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

But as you move down the return rate spectrum, the groups get to invite more PNMs back, so while the top groups might rule out a disinterested girl, I agree with the OP that it's rarely going to happen because a girl is "too good" for a group. If the group thinks she's a good girl, if she were interested, they would keep her.

Agree with this too.

We didn't typically have to make a whole lot of cuts in my chapter...once we released PNMs who didn't meet our grade cutoff or other specific restrictions like that, we came close to where we had to be release figures wise. So, there was no real reason to drop a girl only because she seemed "too good" for our chapter (whatever that's supposed to mean), but a girl with a horrible, rude attitude...that would be a different story.

But a girl who got cut for that reason wouldn't be getting cut b/c she was "too good" - she'd be getting cut b/c she was a bitch.

[AlphaFrog]

This thread is one big "Intimidated by my hotness" joke waiting to happen.

[TrueBlueKappa]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

This thread is one big "Intimidated by my hotness" joke waiting to happen.

I was totally waiting for that...

[FuzzieAlum]

I would distinguish between a PNM who flat out says, "I only want X and feel like I am wasting my time at your party" (or who makes it evident without words) and one who we assume would prefer a top tier or core four or whatever sorority. I don't think many chapters would waste their time on the first girl. We have dignity, and who wants someone rude anyway? (It's funny, the PNMs with that attitude so often end up suiciding and going bidless.)

[MaggieXi]

If we had PNMs come in acting better than everyone else, acting disinterested, or stating that they would be joining "XYZ" chapter (and yes that did happen!) they may have not been invited back to the following round because there are so many girls who are interested, being themselves and giving all the chapters a chance -- why waste an invite on someone who clearly doesn't want to be there?

[susan314]

Originally Posted by MaggieXi

If we had PNMs come in acting better than everyone else, acting disinterested, or stating that they would be joining "XYZ" chapter (and yes that did happen!) they may have not been invited back to the following round because there are so many girls who are interested, being themselves and giving all the chapters a chance -- why waste an invite on someone who clearly doesn't want to be there?

Very true...but it still goes back to the fact that she's being released b/c of her attitude/actions, not because the group actually thought she was "too good for them."

There may be girls who you suspect might go to certain chapters just based on a gut feeling, but are still generally pleasant throughout rush. Unless you're being pressured to make big cuts b/c of release figures, you're not likely to get rid of them just because they "look like" they'd go ABC or XYZ.