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Old 07-04-2007, 02:38 AM
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They waited for the professionals, and 32 of them died and how many more wounded?
I'm not sure what you're suggesting should be done -- by either people in the buildings or by first responders.

In the case of Columbine, fourteen were killed, but there were a couple thousand students and teachers in the school who were evacuated by police. I haven't seen numbers on how many were in the building at VT, but my guess is that most were rescued unharmed -- at least physically.

If they had all tried to escape through the halls, ran into the chained doors, and were trapped as a larger group, how many more might have been killed or wounded?

As it was, some were able to barricade the doors to their classrooms and may have saved their lives.

I've said before that I'm no expert, but from what I've been able to read, people who were able to hide or barricade doors (or even "play dead" in open rooms) and wait for help at both Virginia Tech and Columbine survived while most of the casualties happened in open rooms or hallways.

Some clear thinking people might be able to help themselves, but chaos and panic seldom help anything. I think that if a lot of people had tried to escape or whatever and either ran into those chained doors -- or the shooter(s) in either case -- panic would almost certainly set in. My guess is that that's why the emergency plans (especially for schools) call for lockdowns instead of evacuations until the emergency services have some kind of understanding of the situation.

Believe me, we've had a lot of those in this area post Columbine and the high school shooting in the Bailey, Colorado area last year.

The point that is well taken, though, is that the first person or several people who encounter a shooter or shooters is most likely in deep trouble.
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Old 07-04-2007, 10:52 AM
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I'm not sure what you're suggesting should be done -- by either people in the buildings or by first responders.

In the case of Columbine, fourteen were killed, but there were a couple thousand students and teachers in the school who were evacuated by police. I haven't seen numbers on how many were in the building at VT, but my guess is that most were rescued unharmed -- at least physically.

If they had all tried to escape through the halls, ran into the chained doors, and were trapped as a larger group, how many more might have been killed or wounded?

As it was, some were able to barricade the doors to their classrooms and may have saved their lives.

I've said before that I'm no expert, but from what I've been able to read, people who were able to hide or barricade doors (or even "play dead" in open rooms) and wait for help at both Virginia Tech and Columbine survived while most of the casualties happened in open rooms or hallways.

Some clear thinking people might be able to help themselves, but chaos and panic seldom help anything. I think that if a lot of people had tried to escape or whatever and either ran into those chained doors -- or the shooter(s) in either case -- panic would almost certainly set in. My guess is that that's why the emergency plans (especially for schools) call for lockdowns instead of evacuations until the emergency services have some kind of understanding of the situation.

Believe me, we've had a lot of those in this area post Columbine and the high school shooting in the Bailey, Colorado area last year.

The point that is well taken, though, is that the first person or several people who encounter a shooter or shooters is most likely in deep trouble.
Lockdowns are very practical for handling any range of problems which is another beneficial change since Columbine. I think most people recognize that lives could have been saved at VT had the victims been able to look the doors. It would have been effective in reducing the number of deaths.

It just seems to me that there can be a middle ground between inciting chaos (which I did imply with my use of "every man for himself") and encouraging passivity which I'm afraid is what most emergency plans call for.
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Old 07-04-2007, 12:27 PM
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This is a memorial road race in honor of one of the victims. The organizers are hoping it will become an annual event. So if you are a runner and live in Northern VA....

Run For Leslie 5K July 15, 2007 8:30 AM


Event Details Sport Type:RunningDistance(s):5KKids Race(s):NOEvent Location: Burke Lake Park City: Fairfax Station
State/Province: VA Country:USA
Prize Money (If yes, how much?):NO
Is this event chip timed?NO
Event Web site: http://www.spartansports.org
Online Registration: http://spartansports.org/files/Run_For_Leslie_registration_form%5B1%5D.doc

General Event Information On April 16, 2007 Leslie Sherman was killed at Virginia Tech. Help us create a lasting memory of Leslie. By registering you will be making a $20 donation to the Leslie Sherman Memorial Scholarship fund. This scholarship was set up by West Springfield High School and will be awarded yearly to a West Springfield Student who has commited to Virginia Tech.

Questions? Please contact the organizer Event Coordinator:Ashley HughesEvent Email:RunForLeslie@gmail.com
Event Phone Number:703-863-1712
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Old 07-14-2007, 10:02 PM
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I was looking at my alma mater's web page, and ran across an article about the Ohio University PD participating with several other area agencies in an "active shooter" training program.

Obviously a reaction to the Virginia Tech incident:

http://www.ohio.edu/outlook/06-07/July/755n-067.cfm
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