Too fat to recruit: or, DePauw, the Sequel

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by James

Closing a chapter because you are afraid to hurt some people's feelings is . . . I would say insane, but maybe not well thought out would be better.

As DeltaBetaBaby said, you have an obligation to all the people that came before to keep your chapter going.

But you also have an obligation to all of the people that came before you to uphold the ideals of the organization, as well, and telling people to "hide" during recruitment REALLY doesn't fit those ideals. Using keeping the chapter open as an excuse to treat your sisters badly is simply unacceptable. Where there is a will, there is a way, and people don't have to sacrifice ideals to recruit successfully. If people do away with basic principles, then they are doing no great service to their founders, who probably sacrificed greatly to found the organization in the first place.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Where there is a will, there is a way, and people don't have to sacrifice ideals to recruit successfully.

Again, I ask you to tell me what those ways are, because those of us from big competitive schools don't seem to know what they are.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Again, I ask you to tell me what those ways are, because those of us from big competitive schools don't seem to know what they are.

And again, I will tell you that I already stated ways to do so. Just because you go to a big, competive school does not mean that you have to treat other members unfairly. I suggest that you possibly review the creed of your organization or other historical information if you are still unclear about what I mean or how to treat other members of your organization, even during recruitment.

[James]

I think I am going to have to make a new thread re-framing this scenario better. It appears that all the readers are seeing the scenario differently and many are personalizing it.

All women that I know think they are fatter than they should be. Even the ones in objectively stellar condition, not just thin, but athletic. In an absolute sense I suppose they are all correct.

Even among figure models and other people genuinely viewed as aesthetically pleasing there is always room for improvement.

Oddly, the people in the best shape are often the most obsessed with striving for being better. And the people that are actually and obviously fatter tend to be the most defensive about it.

So if you tell a fitness person they are fat they agree with you and talk about their plan to correct the problem. If you tell your average fatter person they are fat they often wax indignant. Odd eh?

In this case I think people see someone say that heavier girls might be excluded from Rush and they either think of themselves, or picture heavy as something "less heavy" than is probably meant. Especially in a world where "Muffin Tops" may now be "average."

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

But you also have an obligation to all of the people that came before you to uphold the ideals of the organization, as well, and telling people to "hide" during recruitment REALLY doesn't fit those ideals. Using keeping the chapter open as an excuse to treat your sisters badly is simply unacceptable. Where there is a will, there is a way, and people don't have to sacrifice ideals to recruit successfully. If people do away with basic principles, then they are doing no great service to their founders, who probably sacrificed greatly to found the organization in the first place.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by James

I think I am going to have to make a new thread re-framing this scenario better. It appears that all the readers are seeing the scenario differently and many are personalizing it.

All women that I know think they are fatter than they should be. Even the ones in objectively stellar condition, not just thin, but athletic. In an absolute sense I suppose they are all correct.

Even among figure models and other people genuinely viewed as aesthetically pleasing there is always room for improvement.

Oddly, the people in the best shape are often the most obsessed with striving for being better. And the people that are actually and obviously fatter tend to be the most defensive about it.

So if you tell a fitness person they are fat they agree with you and talk about their plan to correct the problem. If you tell your average fatter person they are fat they often wax indignant. Odd eh?

In this case I think people see someone say that heavier girls might be excluded from Rush and they either think of themselves, or picture heavy as something "less heavy" than is probably meant. Especially in a world where "Muffin Tops" may now be "average."

From what you have posted, I am deducing that you are insinuating that those who feel that members of an organization who are excluded from recruitment must be, themselves, overweight. If this is not the case, please say otherwise. I beg to differ with you on this statement, should this, in fact, be what you mean. Excluding a member of one's organization from recruitment, for any superficial reason (barring situations such as low grades or failing to live up to the organization's standards) is unethical and should be unacceptable, based solely upon the ideals of the organization. Just for the record, I am not overweight, either.

[James]

Not so much that. . . although laws of averages say that some maybe even most are you know?

This doesn't lessen the validity of what they are saying mind you. I am pointing out that women as a stereotype tend to be irrationally sensitive to the topic.

I am also thinking that women reading the OP's original post are imagining some girl that is somewhat overweight, versus say morbidly obese, that uses fashion and such to put on a great physical presentation and has the type of personality that can talk jumpers down from ledges.

I am not getting that at all from my reading. I am envisioning someone that is sloppy looking for whatever reason and has a personality that not only adds nothing to the Recruitment event, but may possibly detract from it also.

I am positive if that she had people skills that would allow her to talk jumpers down from heights she would be in the forefront of recruitment regardless of anything else.

National may be shallow but they aren't actually stupid.

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

From what you have posted, I am deducing that you are insinuating that those who feel that members of an organization who are excluded from recruitment must be, themselves, overweight. If this is not the case, please say otherwise. I beg to differ with you on this statement, should this, in fact, be what you mean. Excluding a member of one's organization from recruitment, for any superficial reason (barring situations such as low grades or failing to live up to the organization's standards) is unethical and should be unacceptable, based solely upon the ideals of the organization. Just for the record, I am not overweight, either.