Petition ABC Family to Cancel "Greek"

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Ratings are not a type of censorship......they are pieces of tape on the cover of cd's and little black boxes in the corner of TV's to let the viewer or buyer know that there is a possibility that you may see or hear "offensive" material. If I want to hear Marilyn Manson sing about being the Anti-Christ (not that I actually do)......a little sticker isn't going to "prohibit" me from doing so.

I applaud you for actually saying something, instead of simply inserting an overused epithet.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by macallan25

You hold your tongue.

<holding my tongue> but I'm still typing.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

If actually contributing something useful to the topic at hand was a requirement to post, most people would have about 50 posts, if that.

What has someone contributed that is useful--? Nothing. Some of us are attempting to at least have an intellectual conversation, even if we have differing viewpoints about the nature of censorship in America.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Some of us are attempting to at least have an intellectual conversation, even if we have differing viewpoints about the nature of censorship in America.

How do you figure it's an intellectual converstation, when you don't understand the actual defintion of censorship?

Dubbing "ass" in a movie to say "butt" on broadcast TV is censorship...giving it a PG rating is not.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

What has someone contributed that is useful--? Nothing. Some of us are attempting to at least have an intellectual conversation, even if we have differing viewpoints about the nature of censorship in America.

Well slap me sideways......I guess that someone would be me?

I just felt like most of the "intellectual" conversation was WAY over my little unenlightened head....what with all of the useful information about how Puritans created censorship and how stickers on CD cases are a form of censorship.

I guess I needs to go hit the books yo.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

How do you figure it's an intellectual converstation, when you don't understand the actual defintion of censorship?

Dubbing "ass" in a movie to say "butt" on broadcast TV is censorship...giving it a PG rating is not.

I understand exactly what censorship is--I simply believe there are various degrees of censorship, some of which are more serious than others.
Censorship: deleting parts of publications or correspondence or theatrical performances

Walmart deletes various parts of cds that they deem inappropriate, primarily, profanity.

Censor: any person who supervises the manners or morality of others

So, if you consider the ROOT WORD of censorship, I am not exactly off topic, at all. I simply disagree with your immutable view of what censorship is, and what qualifies as censorship. There are various avenues of censorship, whether it is directly omitting information, or simply deterring individuals from viewing the material itself.

Definitions are courtesy of dictionary.com, by the way.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Well slap me sideways......I guess that someone would be me?

I just felt like most of the "intellectual" conversation was WAY over my little unenlightened head....what with all of the useful information about how Puritans created censorship and how stickers on CD cases are a form of censorship.

I guess I needs to go hit the books yo.

hahhaa... someone wasn't you, by the way.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

What has someone contributed that is useful--? Nothing. Some of us are attempting to at least have an intellectual conversation, even if we have differing viewpoints about the nature of censorship in America.

Um when you got PWND by MysticCat, you have little room for complaining.

I'm not contributing to the conversation now, and I don't mind at all, because I think this thread was silly from the start seeing how we have half a dozen on the stupid show.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I understand exactly what censorship is--I simply believe there are various degrees of censorship, some of which are more serious than others.
Censorship: deleting parts of publications or correspondence or theatrical performances

Walmart deletes various parts of cds that they deem inappropriate, primarily, profanity.

Censor: any person who supervises the manners or morality of others

So, if you consider the ROOT WORD of censorship, I am not exactly off topic, at all. I simply disagree with your immutable view of what censorship is, and what qualifies as censorship. There are various avenues of censorship, whether it is directly omitting information, or simply deterring individuals from viewing the material itself.

Definitions are courtesy of dictionary.com, by the way.

So stop censoring people on this message board. According to your definition that's what you're doing.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I understand exactly what censorship is--I simply believe there are various degrees of censorship, some of which are more serious than others.
Censorship: deleting parts of publications or correspondence or theatrical performances

Walmart deletes various parts of cds that they deem inappropriate, primarily, profanity.

Censor: any person who supervises the manners or morality of others

So, if you consider the ROOT WORD of censorship, I am not exactly off topic, at all. I simply disagree with your immutable view of what censorship is, and what qualifies as censorship. There are various avenues of censorship, whether it is directly omitting information, or simply deterring individuals from viewing the material itself.




Definitions are courtesy of dictionary.com, by the way.

What do you mean by , "Wal Mart deletes various parts of cd's that they deem inappropriate"? I was under the impression that Wal Mart simply didn't carry offensive cd's. I'm pretty sure Wal Mart cannot delete artists material and then sell them how they see fit. Artists have to make edited versions of their cd's........then they can have Wal Mart distribute them.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Walmart deletes various parts of cds that they deem inappropriate, primarily, profanity.

Walmart does not delete various parts of CDs. Walmart SELLS censored copies of CDs, as well as the uncensored versions. But Walmart doesn't make the decsion of what stays and what goes in the censored version (it's copyrighted material, they can't just go changing it), that's up to the producer. It's up to the individual which copy to buy.

ETA:

Originally Posted by macallan25

What do you mean by , "Wal Mart deletes various parts of cd's that they deem inappropriate"? I was under the impression that Wal Mart simply didn't carry offensive cd's.

I do believe they carry the "offensive" CD's in both orginal and censored versions.
Either way, if a store chooses not to carry a certain product for whatever reason, that still doesn't qualify as censorship. The have the right to carry whatever products they want. You can still go to the nearest Sam Goody and pick it up.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Walmart does not delete various parts of CDs. Walmart SELLS censored copies of CDs, as well as the uncensored versions. But Walmart doesn't make the decsion of what stays and what goes in the censored version (it's copyrighted material, they can't just go changing it), that's up to the producer. It's up to the individual which copy to buy.

And if the artist/company chooses not to censor their product, Walmart can choose not to sell it. If people don't like it, they won't spend their money at Walmart. This is capitalism.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Um when you got PWND by MysticCat, you have little room for complaining.

I'm not contributing to the conversation now, and I don't mind at all, because I think this thread was silly from the start seeing how we have half a dozen on the stupid show.

The stupid show is one of my favorites.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by macallan25

What do you mean by , "Wal Mart deletes various parts of cd's that they deem inappropriate"? I was under the impression that Wal Mart simply didn't carry offensive cd's.

O, they carry them, they are just bleeped out copies. And it is Walmart's decision to do so, although yes, the producer can put out a "cleaner" version, just like a radio station can only play the "nicer" version--which is still censorship.

But back to the topic at hand--"Greek" show--good or bad for the Greek community? I think we are all in agreement about one thing. It's not uplifting to the Greek community, nor is it flattering. But again, we're in America, and sex sells, as well as anything else that is not exactly wholesome.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

So stop censoring people on this message board. According to your definition that's what you're doing.

I'm not censoring, I'm disagreeing. I'm all for them censoring the "Greek" show, though.