Petition ABC Family to Cancel "Greek"

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Some of us are attempting to at least have an intellectual conversation, even if we have differing viewpoints about the nature of censorship in America.

How do you figure it's an intellectual converstation, when you don't understand the actual defintion of censorship?

Dubbing "ass" in a movie to say "butt" on broadcast TV is censorship...giving it a PG rating is not.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

How do you figure it's an intellectual converstation, when you don't understand the actual defintion of censorship?

Dubbing "ass" in a movie to say "butt" on broadcast TV is censorship...giving it a PG rating is not.

I understand exactly what censorship is--I simply believe there are various degrees of censorship, some of which are more serious than others.
Censorship: deleting parts of publications or correspondence or theatrical performances

Walmart deletes various parts of cds that they deem inappropriate, primarily, profanity.

Censor: any person who supervises the manners or morality of others

So, if you consider the ROOT WORD of censorship, I am not exactly off topic, at all. I simply disagree with your immutable view of what censorship is, and what qualifies as censorship. There are various avenues of censorship, whether it is directly omitting information, or simply deterring individuals from viewing the material itself.

Definitions are courtesy of dictionary.com, by the way.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I understand exactly what censorship is--I simply believe there are various degrees of censorship, some of which are more serious than others.
Censorship: deleting parts of publications or correspondence or theatrical performances

Walmart deletes various parts of cds that they deem inappropriate, primarily, profanity.

Censor: any person who supervises the manners or morality of others

So, if you consider the ROOT WORD of censorship, I am not exactly off topic, at all. I simply disagree with your immutable view of what censorship is, and what qualifies as censorship. There are various avenues of censorship, whether it is directly omitting information, or simply deterring individuals from viewing the material itself.

Definitions are courtesy of dictionary.com, by the way.

So stop censoring people on this message board. According to your definition that's what you're doing.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

So stop censoring people on this message board. According to your definition that's what you're doing.

I'm not censoring, I'm disagreeing. I'm all for them censoring the "Greek" show, though.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I'm not censoring, I'm disagreeing. I'm all for them censoring the "Greek" show, though.

You're monitoring people's manners (contributing to the converstation?) that, according to you, is censoring.

If someone freely changes their product in an attempt to make more money it is NOT censorship. Erasing four letter words so they can be played on public airwaves is NOT censorship.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You're monitoring people's manners (contributing to the converstation?) that, according to you, is censoring.

If someone freely changes their product in an attempt to make more money it is NOT censorship. Erasing four letter words so they can be played on public airwaves is NOT censorship.

Well, I disagree. And I'm not monitoring anyone else's manners, I'm disagreeing with them. If I made an effort to dispell those mannerisms, then that would be censorship. So, petitioning to end "Greek" is censorship, which I have already said, I am all for, since it contributes to the negative view of the Greek community. That's just my opinion, though, and as others have said, people can simply choose not to watch it, which is also what I plan to do.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Well, I disagree. And I'm not monitoring anyone else's manners, I'm disagreeing with them. If I made an effort to dispell those mannerisms, then that would be censorship. So, petitioning to end "Greek" is censorship, which I have already said, I am all for, since it contributes to the negative view of the Greek community. That's just my opinion, though, and as others have said, people can simply choose not to watch it, which is also what I plan to do.

So it's not just the monitoring, it's being in a position of power that lets you change things? Because your definition just went flying out the window.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I understand exactly what censorship is--I simply believe there are various degrees of censorship, some of which are more serious than others.
Censorship: deleting parts of publications or correspondence or theatrical performances

Walmart deletes various parts of cds that they deem inappropriate, primarily, profanity.

Censor: any person who supervises the manners or morality of others

So, if you consider the ROOT WORD of censorship, I am not exactly off topic, at all. I simply disagree with your immutable view of what censorship is, and what qualifies as censorship. There are various avenues of censorship, whether it is directly omitting information, or simply deterring individuals from viewing the material itself.




Definitions are courtesy of dictionary.com, by the way.

What do you mean by , "Wal Mart deletes various parts of cd's that they deem inappropriate"? I was under the impression that Wal Mart simply didn't carry offensive cd's. I'm pretty sure Wal Mart cannot delete artists material and then sell them how they see fit. Artists have to make edited versions of their cd's........then they can have Wal Mart distribute them.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by macallan25

What do you mean by , "Wal Mart deletes various parts of cd's that they deem inappropriate"? I was under the impression that Wal Mart simply didn't carry offensive cd's.

O, they carry them, they are just bleeped out copies. And it is Walmart's decision to do so, although yes, the producer can put out a "cleaner" version, just like a radio station can only play the "nicer" version--which is still censorship.

But back to the topic at hand--"Greek" show--good or bad for the Greek community? I think we are all in agreement about one thing. It's not uplifting to the Greek community, nor is it flattering. But again, we're in America, and sex sells, as well as anything else that is not exactly wholesome.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

But back to the topic at hand--"Greek" show--good or bad for the Greek community? I think we are all in agreement about one thing. It's not uplifting to the Greek community, nor is it flattering. But again, we're in America, and sex sells, as well as anything else that is not exactly wholesome.

"Back to the topic" - GC talk meaning "I'm loosing the side debate I started so let's quickly change the subject so maybe no one will notice".

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

"Back to the topic" - GC talk meaning "I'm loosing the side debate I started so let's quickly change the subject so maybe no one will notice".

No, I don't consider myself losing any debate, I just would like to steer the thread back to its inception--which was to discuss whether or not "Greek" is a good thing or a bad thing. I don't want to keep going in circles about what is censorship and what isn't, because I already have my own view of what it is and isn't, and I don't need someone to try to bully me into seeing it another way. Again, I am agreeing to disagree.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

O, they carry them, they are just bleeped out copies. And it is Walmart's decision to do so, although yes, the producer can put out a "cleaner" version, just like a radio station can only play the "nicer" version--which is still censorship.

But back to the topic at hand--"Greek" show--good or bad for the Greek community? I think we are all in agreement about one thing. It's not uplifting to the Greek community, nor is it flattering. But again, we're in America, and sex sells, as well as anything else that is not exactly wholesome.

No......Wal Mart cannot decide to edit a copyrighted CD and then sell it how they see fit. This is Illegal. That is up to the music producer and the artist. As far as the radio........artists have "radio edits" of their songs that are specifically mixed for.......the radio. How is this censorship? Nobody is forcing artists to clean up their lyrics. If they don't want to have songs on the air or sell them at Wal Mart......they don't have to.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by macallan25

No......Wal Mart cannot decide to edit a copyrighted CD and then sell it how they see fit. This is Illegal. That is up to the music producer and the artist. As far as the radio........artists have "radio edits" of their songs that are specifically mixed for.......the radio. How is this censorship? Nobody is forcing artists to clean up their lyrics. If they don't want to have songs on the air or sell them at Wal Mart......they don't have to.

Agreeing to disagree. "Greek"--good or bad? Should it be censored? Does anyone care anymore? Let's stop going around in circles, please.

[macallan25]

I don't think you are understanding here.......there is not disagreeing.....nothing you said about Wal Mart or the Radio is true......at all.

"Greek" is irrelavent......it looks like a terrible show on ABC Family that nobody will watch. I do not think it will have any real affect on real Greeks, I'm not that concernced about it, and I really don't think anyone will care that they have a TV show about fake fraternities/sororities. If people think they should make up their minds about Greek Life based on a teenager-targeted TV show....then they should be slapped in the face.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Walmart deletes various parts of cds that they deem inappropriate, primarily, profanity.

Walmart does not delete various parts of CDs. Walmart SELLS censored copies of CDs, as well as the uncensored versions. But Walmart doesn't make the decsion of what stays and what goes in the censored version (it's copyrighted material, they can't just go changing it), that's up to the producer. It's up to the individual which copy to buy.

ETA:

Originally Posted by macallan25

What do you mean by , "Wal Mart deletes various parts of cd's that they deem inappropriate"? I was under the impression that Wal Mart simply didn't carry offensive cd's.

I do believe they carry the "offensive" CD's in both orginal and censored versions.
Either way, if a store chooses not to carry a certain product for whatever reason, that still doesn't qualify as censorship. The have the right to carry whatever products they want. You can still go to the nearest Sam Goody and pick it up.