Stereotyping HBCU's

[Lyoness]

My mom sent me this. It's 2007 and don't forget to read the comment at the bottom. Same thing was going on at IU in 1999 when I almost went.

http://thepost.baker.ohiou.edu/artic...ews/20405.html

[IvySpice]

Most Ivy Leagues are universities with secondary degrees. They are calculating these numbers from the graduate school education.

No, they are not. These are undergraduate numbers, not aggregated across the graduate schools. The link explicitly states that it refers to completion of four-year college degrees:

http://www.jbhe.com/preview/winter07preview.html

Even if you believe that the JBHE is, for some mysterious reason, secretly including graduate school data for the Ivy Leagues, that would not explain why PWIs such as Amherst, Wellesley, Williams, Smith, Hamilton, and Swarthmore, all of which have no graduate programs, all have (much) higher black student graduation rates than the highest-peforming HBCU. Amherst is almost identical to Harvard on this measure.

But based on the total population that the Ivies have and graduation rates they claim in this report do not correlate with the numbers I have read or calculated.

OK, why don't you share the numbers you have read or calculated? What's your source?

Yes, 8 out of 10 are graduating--but out a population of 100 where half drop out? That is an unfair correlation.

What do you mean? This is the number of entering freshman who receive a bachelor's degree within 6 years. If you drop out, then you're counted as not graduating. How is that an "unfair correlation"?

But when you make the comparison to non-Af Am students, it is a poorer prognosis for self-ID'ed AfAm students.

JBHE addresses that issue in the article: it ranks PWIs not only by the black graduation rate, but by the differential between white and black graduation rates. Some PWIs, like Cornell, don't do as well on this measure, but 20 PWIs have a differential of 5 points or less. Mt Holyoke actually graduates its black students at a higher rate than its white students.

http://www.jbhe.com/features/50_blac...gradrates.html

These rates are almost 10 years old. How are they significant today?

No, the JBHE data is from 2005. I cited the PSU page solely to support my point that the NCAA and DOE data are one and the same.

you dayum right I am not trusting anything these folks say at first glance.

OK, then let's keep taking glances. Why is the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education "these folks" and therefore untrustworthy? What do you think their agenda is?

I have young people coming to my office constantly crying as to the isolation they feel while attending these schools.

That's a great reason for those students to attend HBCUs. There are many great reasons. But higher black graduation rates compared to PWIs is not one of them.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Lyoness

My mom sent me this. It's 2007 and don't forget to read the comment at the bottom. Same thing was going on at IU in 1999 when I almost went.

http://thepost.baker.ohiou.edu/artic...ews/20405.html

I hope these types of relatively rare events aren't why you really went to an HBCU.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I hope these types of relatively rare events aren't why you really went to an HBCU.

Co-sign.

One of the few times I agree with Chaos' posts.

[Eclipse]

re: graduation rates of HBCUs vs PWIs...

I know one of the biggest problems at my alma mater when I was a student and now is the cost. Spelman has one of the largest (if not the largest, I can't rmember) endowments of HBCUs, but when you compare it to a school like Emory Univeristy which is in the same city, it is peanuts. As a result, Spelman can't compete with the Emorys and Smiths of the world when it comes to scholarship dollars for deserving students. Those students either beg, borrow and..well, not steal to pay for their freshman year, but then don't have the funds to pay for sophomore year, so they 'drop out' and impact graduation rates. My friends that did not graduate from Spelman, for the most part, did not do so because of the lack of education or their inability to master the classes, but many of them did not because they simply could not afford it. Many went on to graduate from state schools in their homestate.

I hope everyone on this list that is proudly proclaiming their love for their alma mater (especially those that went to HBCUs) are giving something to the school so currents students won't have to say "I would love to go to/stay at Spelman/Howard/Clark/Hampton, etc, but I can't afford to, so I will go to XX School that will give me money. Even $5 means that the % of alumni giving is increased and many major foundations look at that to determine if they will give. For those of us who have fond or not so fond memories of countless hours of standing in lines at registration, give a bit more so the school can upgrade the computers. LOL

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

One of the few times I agree with Chaos' posts.

Aren't I supposed to be on ignore or something?

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Aren't I supposed to be on ignore or something?

When you start acting like a Kazodian, you go on ignore. Otherwise, I read you posts like everyone else's.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

When you start acting like a Kazodian

Interesting, seeing as though I went back and forth with you long before I knew what a KAZO was.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Interesting, seeing as though I went back and forth with you long before I knew what a KAZO was.

And have gotten a lot worse as a result of Kazo; evidently birds of a feather flock together ().

Yes GC, she's crazy about me. There must be something about that Crimson and Cream love

(now back to our regularly scheduled thread).

[Low C Sharp]

I know one of the biggest problems at my alma mater when I was a student and now is the cost. Spelman has one of the largest (if not the largest, I can't rmember) endowments of HBCUs, but when you compare it to a school like Emory Univeristy which is in the same city, it is peanuts. As a result, Spelman can't compete with the Emorys and Smiths of the world when it comes to scholarship dollars

Yes, this is a central part of the issue, and your whole post is very wise. Talking about this disparity doesn't have to be read as an attack on anyone's alma mater; it's a call to help the schools you love to do even more for their students. Meeting the financial needs of current undergrads should be the number one fundraising priority for alumni of any school. (As far as I know, Princeton is the only university in the world that meets 100% of its undergrads' financial need solely through endowment funds; every other school relies on donations for some (or all) of its scholarship program.)
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