Retro Recruitment.....with a different ending

[susan314]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

First, a PNM can always cut a chapter. There is no rule that you have to rank all the chapters you visit or that you have to visit all the houses you're invited to.

At every campus I've ever assisted with, PNMs have to attend the maximum number of parties for that round. So, if there are 6 parties that round and they get invited back to exactly 6 houses, they cannot cut a chapter.

There may be some campuses where PNMs can always cut a chapter during formal recruitment, but I'm pretty sure the majority require you to maximize your options.

(sorry for the thread hijack, AlwaysSAI )

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by susan314

At every campus I've ever assisted with, PNMs have to attend the maximum number of parties for that round. So, if there are 6 parties that round and they get invited back to exactly 6 houses, they cannot cut a chapter.

There may be some campuses where PNMs can always cut a chapter during formal recruitment, but I'm pretty sure the majority require you to maximize your options.

(sorry for the thread hijack, AlwaysSAI )

I was always under the impression that you have to rank the amount of houses you visited, but you could always rank a house you didn't visit. i.e. Suzy visits ABC, DEF, GHI and JKL but really didn't like GHI. She could rank ABC, DEF, JKL and MNO (a house who dropped her in a previous round). I'm not saying she would be 'maximizing all her options' to be eligible for quota additions, but if maximizing her options means she's ranking a house she really dislikes, wouldn't it be better to not rank that house? I guess I just hate to think that people feel they have no control during recruitment. But clearly at some schools they don't.

[PeppyGPhiB]

At my school we didn't even rank chapters. We got our list of invites, and if we had to, we cut the ones we didn't want to go back to. Of the ones we were going back to, we didn't rank them. The only ranking was done after preference, when we were filling out our bid sheets.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

At my school we didn't even rank chapters. We got our list of invites, and if we had to, we cut the ones we didn't want to go back to. Of the ones we were going back to, we didn't rank them. The only ranking was done after preference, when we were filling out our bid sheets.

To me that seems like the best procedure. I don't know why more schools don't do this.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

To me that seems like the best procedure. I don't know why more schools don't do this.

OtterXO, your comment confuses me a little: if you still have to go back to the maximum number of parties, why is this better than ranking them first?

To me, it still seems like most of the control is with the group.

AlwaysSAI, whenever you want to tell us the next part of your story, I'm so ready to read it.

[AlwaysSAI]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

AlwaysSAI, whenever you want to tell us the next part of your story, I'm so ready to read it.

Hahaha. Is that just because I'm an Alpha Gam legacy. hehe. jk jk.

I was debating......there are three hours left of work.....but, I have lots to do....check email, surf facebook/myspace.....gosh! such a busy busy person I am!



I manage all the computer labs on campus....so my job consists of, well, staring at the screen all day. Although, I occasionally have to open labs or mediate problems.

[Faith4Keep]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSAI

I was debating......there are three hours left of work.....but, I have lots to do....check email, surf facebook/myspace.....gosh! such a busy busy person I am!

Oh, come on, update!!! I want to hear the rest!

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

OtterXO, your comment confuses me a little: if you still have to go back to the maximum number of parties, why is this better than ranking them first?

To me, it still seems like most of the control is with the group.

AlwaysSAI, whenever you want to tell us the next part of your story, I'm so ready to read it.

To continue the hijack... . (I would love to hear more of the story too!) I think it's best to see all your options before you decide who to cut. If you're forced to rank the chapters after attending the parties, you have to cut a proscribed number of houses. The chances are pretty good that you'd cut a house who invited you back and you'd end up not attending the next day's parties at that house...even if they were someone you didn't 100% want to cut. I just think you should know where you are invited back before making any decision or be given the "decline with regret" option when cutting a house.

Edit: after reading the posts above I see the pros and cons of each system, so now I'm not so sure what I think....haha

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

To continue the hijack... . (I would love to hear more of the story too!) I think it's best to see all your options before you decide who to cut. If you're forced to rank the chapters after attending the parties, you have to cut a proscribed number of houses. The chances are pretty good that you'd cut a house who invited you back and you'd end up not attending the next day's parties at that house...even if they were someone you didn't 100% want to cut. I just think you should know where you are invited back before making any decision or be given the "decline with regret" option when cutting a house.

Edit: after reading the posts above I see the pros and cons of each system, so now I'm not so sure what I think....haha

Oh, Oh, I see what you were thinking. No, actually when you rank after the parties, you're are just ranking; you don't actually cut anyone. You're right that you don't get to see that all of the invited you back, but you get invited back to all that will fit in your schedule who wanted to invite you. Even if you ranked them beyond the number that you thought you could go back to, if your didn't get invited back to some of your top picks, those chapters fill in the rest.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

To continue the hijack... . (I would love to hear more of the story too!) I think it's best to see all your options before you decide who to cut. If you're forced to rank the chapters after attending the parties, you have to cut a proscribed number of houses. The chances are pretty good that you'd cut a house who invited you back and you'd end up not attending the next day's parties at that house...even if they were someone you didn't 100% want to cut. I just think you should know where you are invited back before making any decision or be given the "decline with regret" option when cutting a house.

Edit: after reading the posts above I see the pros and cons of each system, so now I'm not so sure what I think....haha

Yeah like Alphagamuga said, the ranking lists are only used if a PNM is invited to more chapters than there are parties for the next round. PNMs put chapters in a "drop list" but they only actually cut those chapters if they get all of their top picks for the next round.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

To me that seems like the best procedure. I don't know why more schools don't do this.

More schools are switching to PNMs ranking after each round rather than PNMs receiving their invites on in-between days. They rank chapters and then get a schedule generated based on where they are invited back and their rankings if necessary. Say a PNM is invited back to 11 of a possible 10 parties. She would get a schedule with her lowest remaining choice eliminated.

It is so much better this way because:

1. PNMs and Rho Gammas get a day "off" in between rounds, which makes things less stressful for these parties.
2. PNMs are more likely to stay in recruitment. If they get released from a chapter they like, they have a whole day to think about it and possibly drop out. If they get their schedule right then and there, they will probably stick it out at least one more round because they are dressed and ready to go. This is definitely the biggest reason.

There are downsides to this system, but I think the pros outweigh the cons:

1. PNMs think they have more control than they really do. They might be wondering why they are going back to their last choice since they thought they "cut" them. However, this is easily alleviated when Rho Gammas explain that they may have to go back to their last choices depending on where they get invited back.
2. PNMs like the flattery of being able to see everywhere they received invitations. For example, if a PNM gets invited back everywhere after round 1, she'd see that when she gets her invite list. Whereas, she could see that she got all 10 (or whatever) of her top choices and not know whether she cut the chapters or if they cut her. A weak con.
3. PNMs may be so distraught by not getting any chapters they are interested in back that they are not in an emotional state to go to a party. This is the only legitimate con, but I think more PNMs are likely to stick with recruitment than to be in this state.

[jwright25]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

To me that seems like the best procedure. I don't know why more schools don't do this.

The process PeppyGPhiB describes is called Accept/Regret - where chapters issue invitations and PNMs pick the ones they want to attend up to the max allowed for that round. The other option is called Priority Ranking where chapters submit lists privately, PNMs rank privately, and the computer matches them up. The reasons some Panhellenics choose Priority over A/R are many, including:

a - less time required. Meaning you don't have to schedule a separate time for PNMs to look at invites one at a time and select.

b - less opportunity for "tent talk" where PNMs can be influenced by others on what invites to select. Tent talk isn't just limited to the time between seeing the invites and accepting them. It could happen overnight. When girls rank right after the parties, they are more likely to choose what THEY want rather than listen to what other PNMs think they should do.

c - less "public" embarrassment for the PNM. If someone she privately ranked high cuts her, she doesn't have to admit it if she gets a list that is already matched for her and they aren't there. It won't be as public to see all the girls who get 12 invites to the 7 party round when she only has 4. With Priority, the girls who technically got invited to all 12 will only have 7 on their list, which is only 3 more than the girls who got cut by all but 4.

There are other pros and cons for both A/R and for Priority. If using the new RFM, it is easier to adjust the numbers for chapters who are having an unusually bad or unusually good year if they are using Priority. It's just up to the Panhellenic system and what they think works best! Neither way is wrong - just different for different reasons.

[Low C Sharp]

I would have to disagree that women dropped by all groups are all socially tone deaf. There are probably some of them out there....but, I think it is unfair to lump those of us that were dropped by all orgs into an umbrella judgement.

If you read my post, you will see that I did everything I could to present the best side of myself to orgs and show my dedication to greek life.

I'm sorry, AlwaysSAI, I wasn't talking about you! I was speculating about what would happen if the type of girls that were discussed in the "Psycho/Stalker PNM" thread rushed at Tufts, where they have to be accepted somewhere. Someone here told a story about a girl who was cut early on but showed up at bid day at the house and cried, hung out outside the house during meetings, etc. That clearly isn't you. But I wonder what in the world they do with "that" girl at Tufts, because you know that there's one of her (or more) at every campus. Nothing can really get the message across to people who lack the skills to hear it.
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[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by susan314

There may be some campuses where PNMs can always cut a chapter during formal recruitment, but I'm pretty sure the majority require you to maximize your options.

(sorry for the thread hijack, AlwaysSAI )

Girls at my school are encouraged to maximize their options, but not required. For example, if a girl is dead set against going back to XYZ even though she's been invited, she isn't required to go. Girls aren't released for not attending parties. She is given the disclaimer that refusing to go back is not maximizing her options and that her choices may negatively affect her chance to receive a bid.

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

At my school we didn't even rank chapters. We got our list of invites, and if we had to, we cut the ones we didn't want to go back to. Of the ones we were going back to, we didn't rank them. The only ranking was done after preference, when we were filling out our bid sheets.

Our rush works this way also. The PNMs only rank after Preference when filling out final cards. There is no ranking after any of the rounds until then. The only time the PNMs can cut groups when they've been invited back to more than the max number.