Montreal Woman Sues Gay Bar For Kicking Her Out

[CutiePie2000]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

I hope the women from the article sues. She's been discriminated against based on her sex, and it seems pretty clear cut.

But how is that different from say, "Ladies Only" gyms? If gay guys want to be somewhere "sans" the ladies, why not let them be?

Originally Posted by Taualumna

Being an old fashioned girl sounds like a big no-no in this town (and maybe even this country, sad to say). .

Please.... do some travelling around the world so that you will truly come to know and appreciate the rights and freedoms that you enjoy living in the country that you do: being permitted to drive, being permitted to vote, being permitted to be in the company of men who are not your brother, father or husband, being able to "choose" who you will marry, being recognized as a "person" rather than the property of your father and husband... I could go on and on, but suffice it to say, as someone who has been to the Middle East, Africa and Asia, the rest of the world is not like North America.

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by CutiePie2000

But how is that different from say, "Ladies Only" gyms? If gay guys want to be somewhere "sans" the ladies, why not let them be?

Ladies only gyms require membership. This was a walk in type of place.

Please.... do some travelling around the world so that you will truly come to know and appreciate the rights and freedoms that you enjoy living in the country that you do: being permitted to drive, being permitted to vote, being permitted to be in the company of men who are not your brother, father or husband, being able to "choose" who you will marry, being recognized as a "person" rather than the property of your father and husband... I could go on and on, but suffice it to say, as someone who has been to the Middle East, Africa and Asia, the rest of the world is not like North America.

Right, but in THIS part of the world, someone who wants to be old fashioned is criticized while someone who is "liberal" is applauded. I post at TWOP, and while I don't necessarily agree with EVERYTHING Elisabeth H (can't spell her last name) from The View has to say, I also don't like how she is attacked for her views.

[CutiePie2000]

Originally Posted by Taualumna

Ladies only gyms require membership. This was a walk in type of place.

No, they have "drop ins" too.

Despite my "liberal" views, I don't think everything has to be co-ed. Leave "ladies only" establishments to be "ladies only", and leave "men only" establishments to be men only. This whole lawsuit is much ado about nothing.

Originally Posted by Taualumna

Right, but in THIS part of the world, someone who wants to be old fashioned is criticized while someone who is "liberal" is applauded.

I think the criticism comes from the lack of gratitude that you exhibit for those (gasp!) "liberal" pioneers and trailblazers who came before you. Dare I call these women (gasp!) feminists? http://www.famous5.ca/ (The Famous Five are pictured on the back of the $50.00 dollar bill and they are the ones who got recognition of women as persons under the British North America Act.). Without being recognized as a "person", you could not vote, you could not have a passport, you could not have rightful access to education, I could go on and on......

But if you prefer a country that has a more "traditional" view of women, I understand that Saudi Arabia is lovely at this time of year.

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by CutiePie2000

No, they have "drop ins" too.

Despite my "liberal" views, I don't think everything has to be co-ed. Leave "ladies only" establishments to be "ladies only", and leave "men only" establishments to be men only. This whole lawsuit is much ado about nothing.

But these places that allow drop ins also have membership packages/programs. And most people take on some form of membership. A bar/restaurant refusing to serve because someone is of the wrong gender is just different from being denied membership/access to an organization.

I think the criticism comes from the lack of appreciation that you exhibit for those (gasp!) "liberal" pioneers and trailblazers who came before you. Dare I call these women (gasp!) feminists? http://www.famous5.ca/ (The Famous Five are pictured on the back of the $50.00 dollar bill and they are the ones who got recognition of women as persons under the British North America Act.). Without being recognized as a "person", you could not vote, you could not have a passport, you could not have rightful access to education, I could go on and on......

But if you prefer a country that has a more "traditional" view of women, I understand that Saudi Arabia is lovely at this time of year.

Actually women got the (federal--women in Quebec couldn't vote provincially until the 1940s) vote in Canada a decade (1919) before the "persons" case (1929).

While I appreciate what the Famous 5 did, I still prefer to be an "old fashioned" type and should not be criticized by people, such as the left for doing so. Conservative people are criticized wherever they go these days while the only liberals receive the same treatment are those who do not know how to themselves properly (i.e. Rosie O'Donnell...would LOVE to send her to the same finishing/charm school her wife went to (I believe Kelli went to one...after all, she was a debutante!)).

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Taualumna

While I appreciate what the Famous 5 did, I still prefer to be an "old fashioned" type and should not be criticized by people, such as the left for doing so. Conservative people are criticized wherever they go these days while the only liberals receive the same treatment are those who do not know how to themselves properly

Look . . . if you can pull yourself down from the cross for a minute, you really REALLY need to consider that just as you decry "liberal" mindsets (and criticize their lifestyle/choices, as you have here), they are doing the same to you. It is hypocritical for you to think this is a one-way deal, just as it is hypocritical for them to deride you for being 'traditional' - grab some objectivity, and stay a while.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally Posted by Taualumna

...While I appreciate what the Famous 5 did, I still prefer to be an "old fashioned" type and should not be criticized by people, such as the left for doing so. Conservative people are criticized wherever they go these days while the only liberals receive the same treatment are those who do not know how to themselves properly (i.e. Rosie O'Donnell...would LOVE to send her to the same finishing/charm school her wife went to (I believe Kelli went to one...after all, she was a debutante!)).

The problem is you're doing exactly what you don't like other people to do to you. While you may prefer to have "old-fashioned" or "traditional" values, that's your choice, but why is it wrong for a father and his daughter to hang out and have a pint at a gay bar?? While you might think it "abnormal", they were obviously comfortable with being in that establisment. Why is that wrong??

Are you more concerned with the fact that a father and daughter were in a gay bar, or are you more concerned with the possible huma rights violation?

My opinion is that, yes, she should have the right to sue, but should she win, I don't know.