WSU Sigma Nu Charter Revoked (Hazing)

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I won't pretend to know anything about this past what is in the news release.

Frankly, unless it is public knowledge, it is Sigma Nu's business and no one else's.

[Kevin]

That's how I intend to keep it in here

Originally Posted by TSteven

Frankly, unless it is public knowledge, it is Sigma Nu's business and no one else's.

I agree.

In addition, I'd like to think this should apply to all GLOs as well.

Whatever goes on in a fraternity/sorority is the business of its members and its members only. Unless it's public knowledge, it's nobody else's business except that of the GLO.

I wish more GCers knew how to respect that.

[Kevin]

Absolutely. I delete rumors and hearsay with extreme prejudice no matter what the organization. Sorry if I implied I would be unfairly acting to protect my own organization.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Absolutely. I delete rumors and hearsay with extreme prejudice no matter what the organization. Sorry if I implied I would be unfairly acting to protect my own organization.

Oh no, that's not what I got from your post at all.

I left that comment mainly because we've often seen situations on GC where non-members like to stick their noses where they don't belong.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by OTW

Oh no, that's not what I got from your post at all.

I left that comment mainly because we've often seen situations on GC where non-members like to stick their noses where they don't belong.

I definitely appreciate your help in helping me/us catch these things. Thanks for that.

Normally I'm very anti-thread hijack.. but this thread? I'm not a huge fan of the subject.

And the OP is a pompous ass.

[dznat187]

Originally Posted by OTW

I agree.

In addition, I'd like to think this should apply to all GLOs as well.

Whatever goes on in a fraternity/sorority is the business of its members and its members only. Unless it's public knowledge, it's nobody else's business except that of the GLO.

I wish more GCers knew how to respect that.

While I agree. I think it is also important to use situations as educational oportunities. There is no need for groups to repeat the bad decisions and mistakes of others. As a greek community we should be willing to share our mistakes and successes to help improve the greek community as a whole. While it is great for one chapter or group to be great. What good would it be if all the other orgs are struggling or getting closed? Just a thought.

Also, I just began working at WSU and from talking with Greek life staff, there was an investigation (not just pics) and there were previous issues with the chapter. It is very sad though, sa their house is beautiful and they were excelling academically. Again, maybe other chapters can learn from this and when they come back in the future they will be better off if they learn from this experience.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by OTW

I agree.

In addition, I'd like to think this should apply to all GLOs as well.

Whatever goes on in a fraternity/sorority is the business of its members and its members only. Unless it's public knowledge, it's nobody else's business except that of the GLO.

I wish more GCers knew how to respect that.

Part of me wishes to believe and think this. But another part does not feel right about "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas".

And yes, I know that there is a great deal of gray.

If one is talking about a chapter house and problems within it, all that is going to happen is that matters will get worse. I am judging that from personal observation and experience.

If you are talking about National matters, policy, procedures, protocol's et al, that is a different matter.

And as part of "the gray" we have seen all to often how little Greek problems become very large, very quickly. And rather public.

[Kevin]

In general response to the last few posts, while some matters might rightly be called no one else's business but the organization's, there is also another very important aspect of these sorts of threads. Most college kids believe that these kinds of things (actual consequences for hazing) can never happen to them. These sorts of threads show even when we're talking about elite chapters, the rules still apply.

Maybe there are 2 lessons here:

1) Don't ignore your organization's risk reduction policies; and
2) Don't post things on facebook/myspace/etc. which you wouldn't want your national officers to see.

Actives read this site, chapter advisers (who might not even know what facebook is) read this site, university officials read this site, policy makers read this site. If we can influence any of them, we've done a good thing.

Those of us who have been on GC for 4+ years probably aren't going to learn anything new. There are others who actually do read this site for new ideas that they can bring back to their organizations.

[SigKapCoug]

I heard a few days ago that buying the Sigma Nu house is going to run in the $3 million area.... so I guess we'll see if any of the chapters are interested at that price.

[Kevin]

It'd really be nice if they could just lease it until they're allowed to recolonize.