Future Kappa

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by RitaMae1908

Okay maybe poor choice of words... mini-aspirant?!

Not quite.

I don't acknowledge an "aspirant" until she is of college age and has the ability to make her own decisions. If I have a daughter, she will see me working hard for Delta but I won't be training her to want, or be excessively familiar with, the organization that's in MY heart.

[OneTimeSBX]

i saw this video a few weeks ago and thought it was cute...

i also raise my child to be open-minded and stick to her beliefs...a few months ago some of my sis-in-laws/mom in law/cousins all went to a store that sold greek wear. the ladies i was with are ALL ZETA, from the color of their cars to the socks on their feet. my sister-in-law asked my daughter (she's 6) which jacket on the wall she wanted?

i think they thought that since she is surrounded by blue and white, she'd go for the zeta one. instead she immediately pointed to the pink and green one and said "oooh i like that pink one! i can read it! it says AKA. i cant read the other ones, they have funny letters on them..." they were all fit to be tied, i just laughed and laughed. after attempting to sway her, she stood her ground and said that pink was her favorite color so thats the one she liked the best! she still loves AKA's, and i will never try and change her mind to go another way, no matter what her grandma and auntie's are!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

i think they thought that since she is surrounded by blue and white, she'd go for the zeta one. instead she immediately pointed to the pink and green one and said "oooh i like that pink one! i can read it! it says AKA. i cant read the other ones, they have funny letters on them..." they were all fit to be tied, i just laughed and laughed. after attempting to sway her, she stood her ground and said that pink was her favorite color so thats the one she liked the best! she still loves AKA's, and i will never try and change her mind to go another way, no matter what her grandma and auntie's are!

Where does AKA per se come in besides her liking pink and "AKA" is easy to read? Doesn't your organization have pink in its colors and identifiable letters? Would your daughter pick out a SBX jacket too, then?

[jojapeach]

Originally Posted by KAPPAtivating

How do you all feel when you see children participating in step-shows throwing signs and what not? Do you feel that is okay? In my opinion, I don't see anything wrong with the young lad in the video. It reminds me of me and my neice. Since she could speak, I have taught her the "pretty on my left..." chant. Not for her to be "pro" XYZ org., but rather to get her on her way to being confident. If the child is handling business in school (and can recite ABC's as well), then I don't see a problem.

In a step show, I still don't appreciate a child doing my handsign or call because she's not a member. Period.

What I'm steadfast on is a child not doing the handsign or call at random moments in life. For instance, my niece's mom is an Old School AKA who will throw up the pinky in a minute. Just this past week, that child sat in her mom's truck and threw up the new school (as my sis-in-law dubs it) ivy hand sign. Mom wasn't bothered, but I know I was.

Chants are cute and aren't so harmful, as long as they're pride in the org, not dissing other orgs. Just don't do the call.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by jojapeach

In a step show, I still don't appreciate a child doing my handsign or call because she's not a member. Period.

What I'm steadfast on is a child not doing the handsign or call at random moments in life. For instance, my niece's mom is an Old School AKA who will throw up the pinky in a minute. Just this past week, that child sat in her mom's truck and threw up the new school (as my sis-in-law dubs it) ivy hand sign. Mom wasn't bothered, but I know I was.

Chants are cute and aren't so harmful, as long as they're pride in the org, not dissing other orgs. Just don't do the call.

i feel the same way soror. my sister (who is college aged) will throw up our sign and purposely screw up our call because she thinks its funny that members get so excited over what WE worked so hard for. as a neo i was like "she's just jealous, its not that big of a deal" but now im like "know ya role miss."

and i recall a soror's daughter who throws up the sign and call like it's hers (she's like 9-10 y/o) and soror does nothing about it. she thinks its cute. now i respect deference like the next humble greek, but really... it makes me a little sad that this girl just be eee-yippin like it's her birfday.

[jojapeach]

Originally Posted by tld221

i recall a soror's daughter who throws up the sign and call like it's hers (she's like 9-10 y/o) and soror does nothing about it. she thinks its cute. now i respect deference like the next humble greek, but really... it makes me a little sad that this girl just be eee-yippin like it's her birfday.

That is *not* cute at all.... Soror needs to school her legacy.

My niece knows she better not think to play with my sign or call. I've always told her it's for "duly inducted members only". The sad thing is it didn't click for her until she was able to see my sorors and myself win first place in the alumni step show. I wish it would make sense with a community service project, but I know she's finding a parallel in her own life because she was stepping in elementary school.

BTW, for anyone still thinking it's not a big deal, consider this. My niece, who I honestly love and adore, answered the phone when I called my sis-in-law (AKA) to wish her Happy Founders Day. My niece asked me, "Aren't you going to wish me a Happy Founders Day?" Just big and bold like it was really her Founders Day, too! Never mind that she hadn't given the phone to her mom yet.

I had to gently advise the overeager one, "Not until you're a duly inducted member of Alpha Kappa Alpha. Until then, just enjoy knowing that you know it's Founders Day." She was mad, but I'm hoping she learned something.

[Obligato]

Okay, referring back to the main topic, which is the posted video of the young cat performing a "chant": I'm not saying "What's the big deal?" because I understand all posted perspectives, but these kids (the boy and the girl) are [I'm assuming] under the age of 6! Why are some of us so defensive?; as if they're really going to wake up tomorrow in a dormitory, hit the Yard, and start joinin' in with the Kappas or Deltas, respectively. If someone refers to a child as a "Mini-whatever" or "Future This", do we have to be so critical and analytical? There is no threat to any esoterical contents of the organization! Nobody ever wore their parents work clothes when they were younger? Did you almost get destroyed because you did not take the MCat but you had on Mama's white coat? Or when Pop said, "There go my future lawyer," did people say there is no such thing because that little girl didn't complete Law school? Come on nah folks, let's just enjoy the videos!

[jojapeach]

^^^ You must be out of your raggedy skull coming in with TWO posts in 18 months (it's up above) trying to redirect somebody's convo, especially when our comments are related. If you don't understand what our big deal, just ask without trying to be smart about it...because you weren't.

It is one thing when a 3 or 4 year old is doing it because they really don't understand what they're doing.

It's another thing when an older child continues to do it and eventually starts to believe and expect that XYZ is already theirs by right for the claiming because Mommy/Daddy/etc is in XYZ. In fact, too many kids today see it as a right, not a privilege or honor that it is. The kids probably don't have the first understanding of any behind-the-scenes elements, i.e. the community service, the 2 hour plus meetings to stay organized, that members are very aware of. IMO, it's a shame when some of our fellow Greeks only expose their sons, daughters, etc. to the fun side but not the business side.

Therefore, your analogy of preparing them for a future profession that anyone has a right to pursue and expect to be doesn't quite compare to a child already believing that s/he can rep for a D9 org.
So, I can't speak for my soror, but I know I have more issue with the adults themselves, not the children.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by jojapeach

^^^ You must be out of your raggedy skull coming in with TWO posts in 18 months (it's up above) trying to redirect somebody's convo, especially when our comments are related. If you don't understand what our big deal, just ask without trying to be smart about it...because you weren't.

Plus he's a member of Kappa Kappa Psi. Not a BGLO and not in the NPHC. An honorary band fraternity. Ha!

LOL. I've NEVER seen an aspirant of any age for that organization. Of course he'd be thrilled if a child cared enough to mimic WHATEVER they are known for. Whatever it is. ()

[jojapeach]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Plus he's a member of Kappa Kappa Psi. Not a BGLO and not in the NPHC. An honorary band fraternity. Ha!

I didn't want to go there, but tell the truth, shame the devil.

I'm kinda bothered that he's in a fraternity at Howard and has to come on a website to ask his question. I don't know the dynamics of Greek Life at Howard, but he has to know at least one NPHC Greek where he could be inquisitive enough to ask that question.

[Sugar08]

Originally Posted by jojapeach

I didn't want to go there, but tell the truth, shame the devil.

I'm kinda bothered that he's in a fraternity at Howard and has to come on a website to ask his question. I don't know the dynamics of Greek Life at Howard, but he has to know at least one NPHC Greek where he could be inquisitive enough to ask that question.

The KKPsi members I know from Howard have (in their minds) honorary BGLO status and act accordingly. They're "known for" wilin' out.

And I agree that while it's cute for a 4-year-old to do the chant, it's less-than-cute when a 18-year-old girl comes to Freshman move-in wearing a "Future Delta" t-shirt. Or my personal favorite, "My Mom's an AKA, and I'm Gonna Be One too!"

[jojapeach]

Originally Posted by Sugar08

The KKPsi members I know from Howard have (in their minds) honorary BGLO status and act accordingly. They're "known for" wilin' out.

And I agree that while it's cute for a 4-year-old to do the chant, it's less-than-cute when a 18-year-old girl comes to Freshman move-in wearing a "Future Delta" t-shirt. Or my personal favorite, "My Mom's an AKA, and I'm Gonna Be One too!"

Not on Freshman move-in! I'd give more slack to a visiting HS senior, but if someone bought you a Future XYZ shirt, then that same someone should school that person to not wear that shirt on anyone's campus.

But seriously...do they make a "My Mom's an AKA, and I'm Gonna Be One too!" shirt? They just say silliness like that, right?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Sugar08

They're "known for" wilin' out.

Oh. *dozing off*

[Obligato]

Okay...Since the replies to my comment were everywhere, I'll cover them accordingly:

JojaPeach:

First, I would like to express my gratitude to you for observing the interval and number of posts that I have had! However, I do not see how that has any weight on the content of my most recent post. Protocol, deference, etc. through the electronic medium does not apply. Nonetheless, I respect you and your views, pretty lady. Also, in what way was I attempting to re-direct your post or being sarcastic for that matter? By posing a general question? A question that clearly stated that I was not asking "What's the big deal," though you tell me to just ask you what the big deal is? I was trying to avoid "nitpicking" but here you state:

"Therefore, your analogy of preparing them for a future profession that anyone has a right to pursue and expect to be doesn't quite compare to a child already believing that s/he can rep for a D9 org.
So, I can't speak for my soror, but I know I have more issue with the kids themselves, not the children."

Who doesn't have the right to "pursue and expect to be" a member of any said organization? As much as I admire the nine historically black organizations, I do believe that sometimes there are those who may go beyond having pride and elevate themselves to an elite status among their own, similar to those described in Lawrence Otis Graham's, Our Kind of People. I agree that is is "one thing" with a 3 or 4-year old because they are not aware of all the "ins and outs" of becoming a member of these organizations...which was my point! There was no mention, on my behalf, of any older child continuing to do it and eventually start believing that "it" is their own. Notice that my post was in reference to the initial post of the young man in the video. It seems as if you skimmed my post so that you could quickly reply with a post designed for "oohs" and "aahs". The majority (not all of it) of your post was irrelevant to mine. Raggedy skulls, sarcasm, "behind-the-scenes" elements, etc....come on now.

DSTCHAOS:

"Plus he's a member of Kappa Kappa Psi. Not a BGLO and not in the NPHC. An honorary band fraternity. Ha!

LOL. I've NEVER seen an aspirant of any age for that organization. Of course he'd be thrilled if a child cared enough to mimic WHATEVER they are known for. Whatever it is. ()"

You type this as if my membership in Kappa Kappa Psi National Honorary Band Fraternity has the slightest of anything to do with any of this! All you did was state facts: Not a BGLO, not in the NPHC, and it is an honorary band fraternity. Okay, now what? I am but a single member of the fraternity who makes statements on behalf of myself and not my organization. I am not made by the affiliation. An organization exists through its members, not the other way around. And you are right, LOL, I have never seen an aspirant of any age for Kappa Kappa Psi, HAHAHA! Isn't that funny and sensible?! No. Review your statement and try again, lovely lady. And once again, you state another fact! I would be thrilled if a child were to mimic what we are known for! We are known for serving the college and university band programs.

JojaPeach again:

If you did not want to go there, and you did not go there, why go there now? Because someone else did? I respect your original intentions...Don't be bothered that I am in a fraternity at Howard! Be happy for your brother and that I am striving for excellence! I'm proud that you're doing the same! Truly. I did not have to come to a website to ask my question. My rhetorical question stemmed from the comments that were posted on this website. Unless the authors of those posts attend Howard, I don't see how I could have gotten any answers from HU or the NPHC Greeks that I know. If any of DSTCHAOS' Alpha chapter sorors who are in Howard's chapter of Tau Beta Sigma National Honorary Band Sorority, Inc. have any answers, that'd be awesome!..

Sugar08:

I'll have to speak to these members who, "in their minds," have honorary BGLO status and act accordingly. Lord knows that emulating and joining the Divine Nine is every non-BGLO members dream!

[jojapeach]

^^^ Bless yo' heart. I just felt like snapping on you for trying to redirect the convo and starting with a title of "In Too Deep". You made a reference to the convo my soror and I were having. I didn't like it, so I expressed it. "In Too Deep" also seemed to express that you thought that we who disapprove of youth doing fraternity and sorority calls, chants, etc. were taking this too seriously. Therefore, you are concretely confirmed as being out of your raggedy skull to tell anyone they take their org too seriously because you can't tell anyone how to feel about their org or anyone who's doing org-related things without being in the org.

And sweetie, DSTCHAOS told the truth: you're not in a BGLO or a NPHC frat. I didn't say I agreed with her assesment of anyone's eagerness or zealousness for/about KKPsi. Frankly, I can't diss any org because I'm sure my sorority's Founders faced loads of hate, and I know from experience that my sorority is still hated on. So, I'm actually more sympathetic and open-minded in Greek Life, but I'm still able to recognize the truth: NPHC is a lot different than a band org. I'm sure you have a frat or two that are in KKPsi and a D9 Frat, and they can confirm that.

Short version: Stay in your lane. Or go talk to the ladies of TBS.

BTW, does this qualify for feeding a troll? I know he's in a recognized org, but I'm wondering if I fell for the okey-doke.