Rider Student Dies After Fraternity Drinking Binge

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

I never said it was funny to vomit in a toilet and I never said my actions that night were condoned by my fellow brothers...As far as my fraternity brothers "not caring" how bad of shape I was in, if they didn't care, they would have just let me pass out on a couch or outside somewhere without checking on me/having somebody with me at all times. Instead, from what I have been told from numerous people (including non-fraternity members and girls), at least two people were with me at all times that night to make sure I didn't stop breathing, etc...As I stated, it seems that most college kids don't really know how bad off a person is by just looking at them. I fully understand that just because a person who has drank too much is breathing, doesn't necessarily mean they are alright. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem too many college kids understand this. Again, I take full responsibility for my actions and if I don't blame my fraternity brothers for MY actions, I don't see how anyone else has the right to do so.

Again, unless the people "standing by" you were EMT/Paramedics/LPN, they had no idea just what was wrong with you and how to handle it.
If they even had a thought about you not being able to breath, they should have called 911 rather than wonder what if. What they "did" was just short of doing nothing. Because the odds are rather good that if something had happened, by the time true help arrived, you would have been dead. For all they did was waste the "golden time".
You were very lucky.
And if you saw some one today in that condition, what would you do?

[Laak 315]

I think this is probably going to keep going back and forth. I understand your argument and it makes sense. Hopefully you understand mine. You are saying that guys in my fraternity should have called 911 because of the condition I was in. However, are you suggesting that anyone who has so little as one shot of alcohol in the course of one night should have 911 called on them to make sure they are alright? At what point does a person need to intervene? It's open to interpretation. If I saw a person who I was with the whole night who had one shot and that was all and seemed to me to be perfectly fine, I'm not going to call 911. Maybe I'm a bad person for not doing so. I don't know anyone who would and I doubt you do either. However, couldn't it be possible that a person might have some sort of a reaction to one shot of alcohol later on? Could it be possible that one shot of alcohol could trigger something in the brain and hurt that person later? Yes, it's certainly possible, since anything is possible in this world. I admit there is a fine line regarding knowing whether a person is alright or not as it pertains to alcohol. I just hope people use their best judgement. Can you honestly say that throughout your entire college career, you've called 911 on every single person you have seen passed out at a party? If you can, my hat is off to you, but if so, I think you might be a little too paranoid. I feel as though I have used my best judgment in assessing whether a person needs to be taken to the hospital in regards to mis-use of alcohol. Again, I don't buy the argument that fraternity brothers are to blame for a single member over-drinking, if it was that single member's choice. If I don't know my own limits, that's my fault, not anyone else's. They're my brothers, but they shouldn't have to take the wrap for something stupid I did...

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

I think this is probably going to keep going back and forth. I understand your argument and it makes sense. Hopefully you understand mine. You are saying that guys in my fraternity should have called 911 because of the condition I was in. However, are you suggesting that anyone who has so little as one shot of alcohol in the course of one night should have 911 called on them to make sure they are alright? At what point does a person need to intervene? It's open to interpretation. If I saw a person who I was with the whole night who had one shot and that was all and seemed to me to be perfectly fine, I'm not going to call 911. Maybe I'm a bad person for not doing so. I don't know anyone who would and I doubt you do either. However, couldn't it be possible that a person might have some sort of a reaction to one shot of alcohol later on? Could it be possible that one shot of alcohol could trigger something in the brain and hurt that person later? Yes, it's certainly possible, since anything is possible in this world. I admit there is a fine line regarding knowing whether a person is alright or not as it pertains to alcohol. I just hope people use their best judgment. Can you honestly say that throughout your entire college career, you've called 911 on every single person you have seen passed out at a party? If you can, my hat is off to you, but if so, I think you might be a little too paranoid. I feel as though I have used my best judgment in assessing whether a person needs to be taken to the hospital in regards to mis-use of alcohol. Again, I don't buy the argument that fraternity brothers are to blame for a single member over-drinking, if it was that single member's choice. If I don't know my own limits, that's my fault, not anyone else's. They're my brothers, but they shouldn't have to take the wrap for something stupid I did...

While I never said anything about one shot it is an interesting point as I do know some one who is allergic to alcohol. They had some punch at a party that was "spiked" and had a rather bad reaction; much like yours if not much worse as they were found pale as a ghost and just about unconscious. All because of one drink or sip of one drink.
His friends called 911 and he lived.

So it is not the amount, it is the result or reaction to it.

Nor is it truly a matter of just over-drinking, it is how to handle the results and consequences


And just judging from what you have written, while you may have learned something, you are still in a state of denial.

[Laak 315]

eh...I lived and I learned...not sure what I'd be in denial about since I fully accept the fact that I could have died...

[Tom Earp]

And You could have died!

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

eh...I lived and I learned...not sure what I'd be in denial about since I fully accept the fact that I could have died...

I do understand that, all too well as you and I share something.
What I am getting at is the Risk Management element of this.
Judging solely on what you have written here, my perception is that
there maybe some RM lessons to be learned still.

[Laak 315]

I certainly feel that all chapters of all organizations could definitely use more information/training in regards to Risk Management and how to handle certain situtations that are sure to happen at least once on college campuses...

[madmax]

Another Rider student died this week. Heroin od.

Is exlurker on vacation?