Conduct Becoming of A Sorority Girl

[AOII Angel]

I certainly never said image is more important than sisterhood. That's ridiculous! I would, though, like to see this utopia you describe that is your campus where no one judges, no one gossips and everyone is happy being strippers if they want. I would love to believe it, only I know human nature, and I have a modicum of common sense. You can't get rid of any of this. The point of maintaining a good image is to not have a bad reputation eclipse your sisterhood. If you want to jump on me for that go ahead, but I have to tell you that picking words out of my posts and twisting them for your own bizarre needs does nothing but make you look silly. They certainly don't make me feel small or petty or less sisterly. I have much better self esteem than that! Not to mention I think this is a stupid argument...I don't think either of us really thinks the other is that far on the polar ends of this debate. I also will not debate that the rules I mentioned earlier are strange...but they are the rules of the group. No one has asked to have them change so I'm not sure what the big deal is!

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I certainly never said image is more important than sisterhood. That's ridiculous! I would, though, like to see this utopia you describe that is your campus where no one judges, no one gossips and everyone is happy being strippers if they want. I would love to believe it, only I know human nature, and I have a modicum of common sense. You can't get rid of any of this. The point of maintaining a good image is to not have a bad reputation eclipse your sisterhood. If you want to jump on me for that go ahead, but I have to tell you that picking words out of my posts and twisting them for your own bizarre needs does nothing but make you look silly. They certainly don't make me feel small or petty or less sisterly. I have much better self esteem than that! Not to mention I think this is a stupid argument...I don't think either of us really thinks the other is that far on the polar ends of this debate. I also will not debate that the rules I mentioned earlier are strange...but they are the rules of the group. No one has asked to have them change so I'm not sure what the big deal is!

1. You might need to either read more slowly or review reading comprehension skills. I did not say a) that my campus is a utopia b) that no one judges c) that no one gossip d) anything whatsoever about strippers.
2. Your arguement was that it was vital that your girls not drink on the dance floor because that is bad image. And then you say that you have a slut in the sorority and a possible druggie. Now...you tell ME if that makes sense? Petty "ettiquette" over the big issues?
3. If you think things like smoking with uncrossed legs, eating while walking, or drinking on the dance floor will so damage your sisterhood that the entire campus will think you are bad girls...again, look at what you've already said. I can't fathom the incredibly stupid herd that would shun a chapter because a sister ate a hot dog while walking but would completely ignore a slut or a druggie. If that's where people's priorities are...I don't think you're getting your money's worth.
4. As I had said earlier, there are things that are deemed immoral by the majority of society including, for instance, sleeping around a lot, being a consistent sloppy drunk, doing drugs, or most importantly just being a mean person. Every organization must have rules to function. My point was that they are in my opinion extremely nit picky in your case and seem to TOTALLY miss the point if, as you say, it's ok to do nothing about sluts/druggies but not to hold a drink when not sitting.
5. I'm actually supremely unconcerened about how I look in this particular arguement. See number one before telling me I make myself look silly in an arguement. Revise. Then try to make me feel silly.

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

5. I'm actually supremely unconcerened about how I look in this particular arguement. See number one before telling me I make myself look silly in an arguement. Revise. Then try to make me feel silly.

I am so proud to call you my sister.

You win at the internets for this.

GC: 1
AOII Angel: 0

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by OTW

I am so proud to call you my sister.

You win at the internets for this.

GC: 1
AOII Angel: 0

Yay for winning at internetz!

Tankkitty, beteedub, is awesome.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

1. You might need to either read more slowly or review reading comprehension skills. I did not say a) that my campus is a utopia b) that no one judges c) that no one gossip d) anything whatsoever about strippers.
2. Your arguement was that it was vital that your girls not drink on the dance floor because that is bad image. And then you say that you have a slut in the sorority and a possible druggie. Now...you tell ME if that makes sense? Petty "ettiquette" over the big issues?
3. If you think things like smoking with uncrossed legs, eating while walking, or drinking on the dance floor will so damage your sisterhood that the entire campus will think you are bad girls...again, look at what you've already said. I can't fathom the incredibly stupid herd that would shun a chapter because a sister ate a hot dog while walking but would completely ignore a slut or a druggie. If that's where people's priorities are...I don't think you're getting your money's worth.
4. As I had said earlier, there are things that are deemed immoral by the majority of society including, for instance, sleeping around a lot, being a consistent sloppy drunk, doing drugs, or most importantly just being a mean person. Every organization must have rules to function. My point was that they are in my opinion extremely nit picky in your case and seem to TOTALLY miss the point if, as you say, it's ok to do nothing about sluts/druggies but not to hold a drink when not sitting.
5. I'm actually supremely unconcerened about how I look in this particular arguement. See number one before telling me I make myself look silly in an arguement. Revise. Then try to make me feel silly.

You win a tank cat!



EDIT:

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

I believe you.

What the hell is your problem? Do you have an owl stuck up there somewhere that makes you continue to pick on 33girl? Tell us, I'm truly agog.

[AOII Angel]

Well Squirrel...I'm really touched by your concern for my reading comprehension, though, I'm sure after my 26 years of schooling that my education level is a bit higher than yours. If you'd actually look back at my posts you may see the error in your reading skills. Since you like numbers, I will number my examples.

1. I simply gave an example of general rules adopted by each group on my campus. I gave reasons why they may have been adopted...etiquette and all. I never said that a ban on eating while walking was a rule of any group on my campus....you are confused by later posts by other members. I also never said that doing any of the prohibited things makes you a bad person, gets you kicked out or any other retribution other than being politely reminded of the rules. I never said it was "vital" that no one drink on the dance floor. My only point was....rules are rules. Follow your chapter rules...if you don't like them, change them. Sisters who just choose to consistently break chapter rules willy nilly (whether these silly rules or bigger ones that I'm sure your chapter would recognize) are not good sisters any more than a "born again Christian who blows off all her duties and continually hurts other sisters by her lack of support." (As quoted from 33girl's post.)

2. I certainly did not generalize that every one of your school's sorority members where sluts or crackheads. I actually said that you may have openly risky behavior on your campus that is not frowned upon, but at many campuses, especially small ones, this type of activity will kill your chapter's reputation. Is that necessarily right? Maybe not, but people do judge and judge frequently!

3. I brought up that we had people in my chapter who slept around and experimented with drugs. It's a common occurence on most college campuses. My point was that my "nit picky" chapter didn't run around expelling or ostracizing members for making adult decisions that we didn't agree with. The common denominator was that despite the choices they made, they kept it their own private business. I knew about some of these things only because I was close friends with some of these girls, not because it was common knowledge. Sure secrets are only secrets when kept to yourself, but sisterhood means you can occasionally share your bad decisions with someone else. As for the broken jaw...we had no proof that it had to do with drugs....it was a rumor. She wasn't expelled because if she was doing drugs, she didn't flaunt it. For all I know the broken jaw was a tragic accident. Sisters close to her had a conversation with her about the rumors. No other incidents occured in the future involving this sister.

4. Image is important. Image is not more important than sisterhood. But, it is completely ridiculous to say that your school's chapters don't worry about image. You worry about image when you dress up for badge day, when you prepare for rush, etc. It doesn't have to be an evil word. At no point did I say that any chapter at my former school cared about image over the sisterhood in the chapter. My point is valid....bad image and reputation is generally the reason behind most chapter closures. I personally get sad to hear about any chapter closing...what a horrible experience for those sisters. Usually, though, their image was made for them by someone who was long gone by the time the chapter reaped the consequences of their sister's actions.

5. Generalizing makes you sound silly. That was my point. Jumping to conclusions about an entire campus because of a set of rules with which you don't agree is a disservice to other greek women. And by the way, you do make it sound like your campus is above the usual foibles of human nature. I don't buy it!

6. I don't disagree with all of your statements. "I'd like to think that people take their vows to remain sisters as seriously as their vows to behave themselves. For instance, if a girl is repeatedly getting drunk at frat houses and doing things she shouldn't, is it ok to just kick her out, no questions asked? In my opinion, no. It's everyone else's duty as sisters to attempt to help her; volunteer to go with her to AA meetings, volunteer to be a go between with parents if they are difficult, volunteer to keep an eye on her at parties, that sort of thing. If she is given a second chance and refuses ALL help from EVERYONE who offers it, then I think her membership should be called into question. I take sisterhood very seriously...on the other hand I'm also aware that as college students we all have very limited resources when attempting to help others." (quoted from your post.) I completely agree with this statement.

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

5. Generalizing makes you sound silly. That was my point. Jumping to conclusions about an entire campus because of a set of rules with which you don't agree is a disservice to other greek women. And by the way, you do make it sound like your campus is above the usual foibles of human nature. I don't buy it!

Back at ya darlin'.