Conduct Becoming of A Sorority Girl

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

Yes, you are sugar-coating it. You admit that you know exactly what it really means right here:



People (and you as well apparently) choose to say "Gosh Darned" instead. In other words, they sugar-coat it.



This just completely defies logic. So you wouldn't be offended if I called you just one of those God Damned Sigma Kappas? That's nuts! That would be a horrible thing to say.



Please don't even start defending colloquialisms. That's one seriously slippery slope.


I'm not buying this for one second. If you're really saying that GDI is a positive thing to say about someone on your campus, then I guess I have to believe you but it was very negative on my campus and on every other campus I've been on.

Oh, and fine, so I'm an elitist. So be it.



Yes, I will look down on people who use it. Just as I look down on people who use other terms like "JAPS", "n*****s", or any other rude, offensive, condescending words.

I knew you were going to go there and I still can't believe you did.

In what way is "GDI" like the word "nigger" or "Jap" or any other sort of racial slur. Don't sugar coat it by putting asterixs you know what word you meant. That is ridiculous and unbelievably offensive.

You've failed to understand a singled thing I've said. No shit sherlock, I know what GDI stands for, I also know that I've seen more people say "Gosh Darned" than God Damned and that is the firt phrase that pops into my head. But apparently I'm either intellectually dishonest or living in Mayberry. Right.

I am a God Damned Sigma Kappa. Proud of it. Will be for life. You don't seem to grasp the use of "God Damned" as a pride thing. Never seen someone call themselves a God Damned American? Please look up idiom in the dictionary.

Again, I'm sure the paddles on my mom's wall were made by oppressed independants who were held down by the evil Greeks.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

In what way is "GDI" like the word "nigger" or "Jap" or any other sort of racial slur.

Just what I already said. It's derogatory, condescending and rude. However, I never said it was equal to using those words. I said I would look down on someone who used those words.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Don't sugar coat it by putting asterixs you know what word you meant. That is ridiculous and unbelievably offensive.

Of course I knew what word I meant! I'm not "sugar coating" it. It's a word that I simply will NEVER say, write, type or think. Simple as that. Apparently you have lower standards.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You don't seem to grasp the use of "God Damned" as a pride thing.

Yes, I do understand it but it's one thing to use it to define yourself and an entirely different thing for someone to use it against you.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You've failed to understand a singled thing I've said.

Same here. We'll never come close to agreeing on this so why not just let it go.

[cuteASAbug]

I somehow doubt that calling someone a GDI would the elicit the same reaction as calling a black person the n word.

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

Just what I already said. It's derogatory, condescending and rude. However, I never said it was equal to using those words. I said I would look down on someone who used those words.



Of course I knew what word I meant! I'm not "sugar coating" it. It's a word that I simply will NEVER say, write, or type. Simple as that. Apparently you have lower standards.

Same here. We'll never come close to agreeing on this so why not just let it go.

Actually here it would be said with pride. On my campus it would be FAR from an insult. Usually it's ex-Greeks that use it as Greek life is so peripheral that the rest of the campus wouldn't even bother to use it.

And it is NEVER in the same category as "nigger". And I do think it helps to write it out...when you read that you remember why you would NEVER call someone that...it's sick. GDI is NOT in the same category and I think everyone who has been called by the aforementioned slur would be offended at putting GDI in that category.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

And it is NEVER in the same category as "nigger".

I never said it was in the same category! Clearly you missed this part of my post:

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

However, I never said it was equal to using those words.

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

And I do think it helps to write it out...when you read that you remember why you would NEVER call someone that...it's sick.

Thank you, but I don't need to remind myself of why I don't use the word. (especially not by using the word)

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

I never said it was in the same category! Clearly you missed this part of my post:



Thank you, but I don't need to remind myself of why I don't use the word. (especially not by using the word)

Then don't compare it. There is no comparison. Like I said, people who have been called that probably do not appreciate your comparison.


Before you make blanket statements and ASSume you are right about everything please take into consideration that it's possible that you're not. As I said, here, GDI wouldn't be considered offensive at all...it's said with pride. And it's fine by me...being proud of being NOT Greek doesn't offend me at all.

Elitist..."classy"...gag me, please. You can't argue with those that are "always right".

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

Then don't compare it. There is no comparison. Like I said, people who have been called that probably do not appreciate your comparison.

I said they are derogatory and condescending. And I said that THEY ARE NOT EQUAL!!!!!!

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

Before you make blanket statements and ASSume you are right about everything please take into consideration that it's possible that you're not. As I said, here, GDI wouldn't be considered offensive at all...it's said with pride. And it's fine by me...being proud of being NOT Greek doesn't offend me at all.

I told Drolefille that if she says GDI is not derogatory at her school then I would have to believe her. So I was not making a blanket statement. It works both ways though. Don't think that just because GDI is okay at your school that it's okay everywhere else, because it's not.

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

Elitist..."classy"...gag me, please. You can't argue with those that are "always right".

I said I didn't think I was classier than everyone else.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

Just what I already said. It's derogatory, condescending and rude. However, I never said it was equal to using those words. I said I would look down on someone who used those words.



Of course I knew what word I meant! I'm not "sugar coating" it. It's a word that I simply will NEVER say, write, type or think. Simple as that. Apparently you have lower standards.
Yes, I do understand it but it's one thing to use it to define yourself and an entirely different thing for someone to use it against you.

Same here. We'll never come close to agreeing on this so why not just let it go.

You manage to type "n****r" without thinking of the word that you mean? Bullshit.

My standards don't include comparing racial slurs to slang terms. I'm quite happy with them.

You don't seem to get that when independants call themselves GDIs, Greeks around them are likely to call them that and not mean anything derogatory by it. Because that's low class. To you. Bless your heart.

I understand what you've said, I just think you're an elitest who "knows best" for everyone else and thinks she has more class then everyone else. I disagree with what you've said, but I still understood it. You react with disbelief, attempted insults to me and my standards, and implications about my sorority, and gross exaggerations.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You manage to type "n****r" without thinking of the word that you mean? Bullshit.

I meant "thinking" as in thinking of someone in those terms. For example, looking at an African American and thinking "n****"!

Originally Posted by Drolefille

My standards don't include comparing racial slurs to slang terms.

I said they were both condescending and derogatory. I also said that they were not equal to eachother. Did you not get that?

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You don't seem to get that when independants call themselves GDIs, Greeks around them are likely to call them that and not mean anything derogatory by it.

At my campus, the campus where I was on KD House Corp and the campuses I've visited as a KD alumna it was not that way. GDI was derogatory, it was used by the Greeks, and it was not used by the independents themselves.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I understand what you've said, I just think you're an elitest who "knows best" for everyone else and thinks she has more class then everyone else. I disagree with what you've said, but I still understood it.

I already admitted to being an elitist. I don't think I have more class than everyone else though.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You react with disbelief, attempted insults to me and my standards, and implications about my sorority, and gross exaggerations.

Show me one place where I made any negative implications about your sorority! I would NEVER insult Sigma Kappa!

[susan314]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

At my campus, the campus where I was on KD House Corp and the campuses I've visited as a KD alumna it was not that way. GDI was derogatory, it was used by the Greeks, and it was not used by the independents themselves.

I would then venture a guess that you never visited Michigan State. (BTW - the KD house there is gorgeous!) Or Bowling Green State University either. I attended one and am an advisor at the other, and the terms are both freely embraced by the non-Greek populations.

(Though I'm a little uncertain how as a chapter visitor, you might interact sufficiently enough with large groups of non-Green students to determine that they don't use/embrace the term GDI. Most of the chapter visitors I have encountered primarily have contact with other Greeks. Of course, it may depend upon the context of your visit to that campus.)

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

I meant "thinking" as in thinking of someone in those terms. For example, looking at an African American and thinking "n****"!

I said they were both condescending and derogatory. I also said that they were not equal to eachother. Did you not get that?


At my campus, the campus where I was on KD House Corp and the campuses I've visited as a KD alumna it was not that way. GDI was derogatory, it was used by the Greeks, and it was not used by the independents themselves.

I already admitted to being an elitist. I don't think I have more class than everyone else though.


Show me one place where I made any negative implications about your sorority! I would NEVER insult Sigma Kappa!

A) That's not what you said. You said you'd never use it. I take people at their word.
B) They don't belong in the same sentence. That's like saying "I'll fight against those who say GDI just like I'll fight against Hitler" By saying this, you equate the two. Don't put them together and no one will call you out for it.
C) I'm not arguing that point. I acknowledge some places it's used negatively. You jumped into the conversation trying to make some sort of point about how it's always bad to say. What was my response? "It's always ok" or "It depends on campus culture." Thankfully you're finally coming around to my way of seeing things.

D) You imply that using GDI in any way is lower class than you by your statements. Just because you don't say it doesn't mean you don't exude it from every word you type.

E) Oh, but implications about my standards are completely ok. So you know, I would never use KD in an example of something I found offensive. I never brought your sorority into the discussion, but you had to bring mine up.
Also, you've made comments about the behavior of people on here reflecting on their GLOs. If you think MY standards are low, then you're implying, by your previous statement, that this reflects badly on SK and carries with it all sorts of other negatives.

As I said, you seem to finally be understanding that it has to do with campus culture, and perhaps you won't jump on the next poster to use it in a non-negative light or who suggests that it may not be the same everywhere.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

A) That's not what you said. You said you'd never use it. I take people at their word.

WRONG! This is exactly what I said:

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

It's a word that I simply will NEVER say, write, type or think. Simple as that.

And then when you misunderstood what I meant by "think", I explained further.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

B) They don't belong in the same sentence. That's like saying "I'll fight against those who say GDI just like I'll fight against Hitler" By saying this, you equate the two. Don't put them together and no one will call you out for it.

Okay, fine.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

C) I'm not arguing that point. I acknowledge some places it's used negatively. You jumped into the conversation trying to make some sort of point about how it's always bad to say. What was my response? "It's always ok" or "It depends on campus culture." Thankfully you're finally coming around to my way of seeing things.

Considering what the acronym actually stands for (and that in my experience independents were offended by it) I still think it's not a good thing to say no matter where you are. However, yes, I admit that I am now seeing things more your way. I suppose it does depend on campus culture.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

D) You imply that using GDI in any way is lower class than you by your statements. Just because you don't say it doesn't mean you don't exude it from every word you type.

E) Oh, but implications about my standards are completely ok. So you know, I would never use KD in an example of something I found offensive. I never brought your sorority into the discussion, but you had to bring mine up.

I brought yours up in an example of something horrible that I would never say!
That's not insulting your sorority, it's defending it.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Also, you've made comments about the behavior of people on here reflecting on their GLOs.

Please show me exactly where I have done this. I can't believe that I would have ever done that.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

If you think MY standards are low, then you're implying, by your previous statement, that this reflects badly on SK and carries with it all sorts of other negatives.

I honestly have no idea what you're saying here. Are you saying that if I insult you, then I'm insulting Sigma Kappa? If I'm wrong about that I'm sure you'll correct me but if that's what you're saying then you've done a whole lot of KD-bashing today. I don't think of it in those terms though. I'll take your criticisms as directed at me only and not KD.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

As I said, you seem to finally be understanding that it has to do with campus culture, and perhaps you won't jump on the next poster to use it in a non-negative light or who suggests that it may not be the same everywhere.

Yes, I am beginning to understand that and I will promise not to do it again.


Please let me also apologize for making that rude comment to you about having lower standards. It was heat-of-the-moment anger talking. I'll admit that I'm usually taken aback when people openly use the N word, even when using it as an example of something bad to say. I actually don't believe you have low standards though and I'm sorry I said what I did.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

Please let me also apologize for making that rude comment to you about having lower standards. It was heat-of-the-moment anger talking. I'll admit that I'm usually taken aback when people openly use the N word, even when using it as an example of something bad to say. I actually don't believe you have low standards though and I'm sorry I said what I did.

I accept your apology and allow me to proffer my own. What started as a congenial comment ended up in mini flame war and I really didn't intend it to go there. I almost never use the n-word myself and only did so to make my point.