LCA fez on Ebay. Wow...

[dever860]

Originally Posted by PiLambda1

I wanted that bad when I got notice of it a day or two ago.

I saw you were bidding so I'm not...

I wouldn't have set that on fire, but I would have it cleaned and
resized :-)

Were you tortured by a fez wielding individual as a child?

[Tom Earp]

First off Congratulations to Brother John G!

Condolences to the other bidders!

Now, if there was a true place to display the many items within IHQ confines.

Many know there is a treasure trove of artifacts that need to be cataloged and shown. The small amout in the cases just inside the front doors is very small in comparison to what is there.

But for those of us who have been able to see it, find it a lot smaller than it looks on IHQ Site along with the many others that are in the area. While there is extra land, it would be expensive to expand on.

So, the question arises, where is it best to spend the funds that are available?

Expansion of land or The Brotherhood?

[PiLambda1]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

First off Congratulations to Brother John G!

Condolences to the other bidders!

Now, if there was a true place to display the many items within IHQ confines.

Many know there is a treasure trove of artifacts that need to be cataloged and shown. The small amout in the cases just inside the front doors is very small in comparison to what is there.

But for those of us who have been able to see it, find it a lot smaller than it looks on IHQ Site along with the many others that are in the area. While there is extra land, it would be expensive to expand on.

So, the question arises, where is it best to spend the funds that are available?

Expansion of land or The Brotherhood?

At the very least it needs to all be photographed and logged in
case it is ever lost in <choke> a fire. Hard to substantiate the loss
of a $500 fez when you can't prove you had it in the first place.

I don't think expansion is even an option considered by HQ. Too
much money...not enough gain (maybe visiting alumni would
donate, but a UG will be mad at the expense because he doesn't
give a crap...yet)

Exhibit in the Jedi Archive perhaps?

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by PiLambda1

At the very least it needs to all be photographed and logged in
case it is ever lost in <choke> a fire. Hard to substantiate the loss
of a $500 fez when you can't prove you had it in the first place.

I don't think expansion is even an option considered by HQ. Too
much money...not enough gain (maybe visiting alumni would
donate, but a UG will be mad at the expense because he doesn't
give a crap...yet)

Exhibit in the Jedi Archive perhaps?

Sorry Brother B. but I am sure lost on this post along with others!

Yes, an UG can and would care if He was able to visit IHQ and walk around and see what is there!

Granted, not enough for sure, but is a mecca to visit!

Have you been there?

[dever860]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Sorry Brother B. but I am sure lost on this post along with others!

Yes, an UG can and would care if He was able to visit IHQ and walk around and see what is there!

Granted, not enough for sure, but is a mecca to visit!

Have you been there?

Hell I cant wait to go over to Indiana, first time ive ever said that in my life!

[PiLambda1]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Sorry Brother B. but I am sure lost on this post along with others!

Yes, an UG can and would care if He was able to visit IHQ and walk around and see what is there!

Granted, not enough for sure, but is a mecca to visit!

Have you been there?

You are too old to understand my references. I am too impatient
to explain them most of the time. Search Wikipedia for the following
terms: Jedi, Jedi Archives.

At the very least it needs to all be photographed and logged in
case it is ever lost in <choke> a fire. Hard to substantiate the loss
of a $500 fez when you can't prove you had it in the first place.
- This is a reference to INSURANCE.
- This is also a reference to the ebay fez as well and it's cost. No one
would believe a stupid looking hat cost that much money unless it is
documented and insured! It burns - it's gone. We lose.


A UG won't care because UG's can't get to Indiana unless they are
at Valpo or Butler. If it's just in boxes in a basement, it's all junk.
It needs to be sorted and categorized. Explainations need to be put
on items that may be ambiguous.

I've never been to HQ. I'll never go. If I want to see random junk in
a basement I'll go to mine.

If they get it set up where you don't have to pilfer through it or
search to figure out what stuff is and where it came from - I'm there.
Until then, UGs won't go...and I'm betting they aren't really wanted.
I'm sure they'd just say we'd get in the way or break something.

Tom- NOTE: Pronouns are NOT CAPITALIZED. He, she, it, him, her,
or others are NOT to be capitalized unless at the beginning of a
sentence or in reference to God or a higher power. Your posts are
SO damn hard to read sometimes...

Dever - I'm sure you are, but you are in the rare breed of UGs that
frequent and ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD. There's 20 or so of us on this
board. You have a stronger interest in the fraternity than most.

[docroc67]

Originally Posted by PiLambda1

You are too old to understand my references. I am too impatient
to explain them most of the time. Search Wikipedia for the following
terms: Jedi, Jedi Archives.

At the very least it needs to all be photographed and logged in
case it is ever lost in <choke> a fire. Hard to substantiate the loss
of a $500 fez when you can't prove you had it in the first place.
- This is a reference to INSURANCE.
- This is also a reference to the ebay fez as well and it's cost. No one
would believe a stupid looking hat cost that much money unless it is
documented and insured! It burns - it's gone. We lose.


A UG won't care because UG's can't get to Indiana unless they are
at Valpo or Butler. If it's just in boxes in a basement, it's all junk.
It needs to be sorted and categorized. Explainations need to be put
on items that may be ambiguous.

I've never been to HQ. I'll never go. If I want to see random junk in
a basement I'll go to mine.

If they get it set up where you don't have to pilfer through it or
search to figure out what stuff is and where it came from - I'm there.
Until then, UGs won't go...and I'm betting they aren't really wanted.
I'm sure they'd just say we'd get in the way or break something.

Tom- NOTE: Pronouns are NOT CAPITALIZED. He, she, it, him, her,
or others are NOT to be capitalized unless at the beginning of a
sentence or in reference to God or a higher power. Your posts are
SO damn hard to read sometimes...

Dever - I'm sure you are, but you are in the rare breed of UGs that
frequent and ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD. There's 20 or so of us on this
board. You have a stronger interest in the fraternity than most.

Brothers,

I visit IHQ about once a month. There is an interest in presenting our history in the best possible light. They have changed things around enough so that they have a fine conference room. They also have a room that displays many Lambda Chi and Theta Kappa Nu artifacts. It looks quite professional to me.

The staff has also gone through the basement and fireproof safe recently. They have taken additional steps to protect our historic items. Simple steps like archival bags and putting the most precious documents in the fireproof safe!

Of course, a professional archivist would be a blessing. Do we have a qualified volunteer in the Indianapolis area? I can't speak for IHQ, but I bet that they would welcome the help....

Expansion is possible. It can be done without the UGs.

Alumni donations specifically dedicated to the preservation of our archives and the construction of a building addition (with a museum area) could happen. Again, I can't speak for the Educational Foundation, but I think that this is a "natural" fund raising opportunity.

I know many of the men and women who work at the IHQ. I am certain that they would welcome individual members and groups of members for a visit.

Our Colony visited them first semester for a ZAX session. It took place in the new conference area and was well received by our Colony.

I am very sympathetic to our IHQ staff, they could use some better working spaces too.

A lot needs to be done. I don't think it is possible for any organization, or society for that matter, to do everything that everybody wants done. Not enough resources. I think that our leadership does a very credible job with the resources available to them.

Maybe the best thing that I can say about them is that they are our Brothers.

Not perfect by any means. But, I have worked with many of them over a pretty good period of time and I found very few of them lacking skill and commitment.

I like visiting our IHQ because I feel welcomed and I feel that they are doing good work on our behalf.

So, if you are ever in Indianapolis, you have to visit our IHQ building.

Yours in ZAX,

Mike Raymond,
ZU-Zeta

[dever860]

Originally Posted by PiLambda1

Dever - I'm sure you are, but you are in the rare breed of UGs that
frequent and ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD. There's 20 or so of us on this
board. You have a stronger interest in the fraternity than most.

An unfortunate fact in my opinion... I do wish more people would take the time to appreciate all that LCA has, and has done. From grammar school to college I have heard people talk about historic events that I was never part of, and is most cases wasn't even alive to witness. Thing about LCA, when you are initiated you part of history that will hopefully be around as long as there are fraternal organizations around.

Unfortunately I have to contradict my last statement, which I hate doing. I also feel that to be part of LCA history you actually have to accomplish something while you are a member. I know plenty of men who have and will lose interest as soon as they get their piece of paper and are out the door into the real world. Point being you have to earn your place in history, hopefully for the good.

Out of all of my uncles, and my father, I am the only son that has joined LCA (they mainly had girls). I feel like I have to do everything do what they did for their Zeta. Perhaps I am special because I have a reason? It would be nice if everyone found their reason.

[JonoBN41]

[QUOTE]If they get it set up where you don't have to pilfer through it or
search to figure out what stuff is and where it came from - I'm there.
Until then, UGs won't go...and I'm betting they aren't really wanted.
I'm sure they'd just say we'd get in the way or break something.[QUOTE]

I disagree 100%

Tom, Mike, and I were at the 2004 General Assembly in Indianapolis and were on the school buses LOADED with undergraduates being taken to IHQ for a nightime tour. To this day I cannot get over the excitement shown by the undergraduates.

There's a coat of arms in the pathway outside the front door and those guys crowded around it, taking pictures with digital cameras and cell phones in the dark. Inside, the place was absolutely packed. I found it hard to move around. They were like kids in a candy shop.

There are lots of exhibits and displays at IHQ - it's just that there's not room enough for everything at the moment. But, again, pictures were being taken constantly. I'm sure the staff was a bit overwhelmed (especially with G.A. going on) but they were courteous, helpful, and answered the many questions fired at them from all directions.

On the ride back to the hotel, the undergrads enthusiastically passed around their camers and cell phones, showing the pics they had just taken.

You're damned right they were interested! It's something I'll never forget!

In ZAX,
Jono

[Tom Earp]

[QUOTE=JonoBN41;1443440][QUOTE]If they get it set up where you don't have to pilfer through it or
search to figure out what stuff is and where it came from - I'm there.
Until then, UGs won't go...and I'm betting they aren't really wanted.
I'm sure they'd just say we'd get in the way or break something.

I disagree 100%

Tom, Mike, and I were at the 2004 General Assembly in Indianapolis and were on the school buses LOADED with undergraduates being taken to IHQ for a nightime tour. To this day I cannot get over the excitement shown by the undergraduates.

There's a coat of arms in the pathway outside the front door and those guys crowded around it, taking pictures with digital cameras and cell phones in the dark. Inside, the place was absolutely packed. I found it hard to move around. They were like kids in a candy shop.

There are lots of exhibits and displays at IHQ - it's just that there's not room enough for everything at the moment. But, again, pictures were being taken constantly. I'm sure the staff was a bit overwhelmed (especially with G.A. going on) but they were courteous, helpful, and answered the many questions fired at them from all directions.

On the ride back to the hotel, the undergrads enthusiastically passed around their camers and cell phones, showing the pics they had just taken.

You're damned right they were interested! It's something I'll never forget!

In ZAX,
Jono

Brother Jono is so right of the visit that was set up!

The glee was evident seeing the smiles in their faces! Well, I am sure as well as His and Mine as first timers at IHQ! As I mentioned, our Mecca as it were.

But, in going through it He and I talked about how disappointed in what we saw that was available to see.

Being some a bit of Historians, that was what we were interestred first and fore most.

It was lacking and beleive me, he and I discussed it the rest of the evening!

There has been some discussion about volunteers doing this and I am sure there arensome who will be willing to do it if they are allowed.

There is a need to have it done!

So, History is History Period!

Mike, I am a retailer who is dieing and not a Educational Type.
Rember, I am The Typo King!

[Ottor 246]

Originally Posted by PiLambda1

Until then, UGs won't go...and I'm betting they aren't really wanted.
I'm sure they'd just say we'd get in the way or break something.

Undergrads are definitely welcome at IHQ. At our recent 25th anniversary banquet, our founder showed slides of our founding delegation's visit to IHQ on their way to GA. He had a picture of hiself sitting in the executive director's chair with his feet on the desk. How much more welcome can you be?

The didn't find as warm a reception at the TKE headquarters, when they posed in front of the big "Tau Kappa Epsilon" sign in their Lambda Chi letters. He said they heard later that someone from TKE's HQ had called someone at our HQ and asked them no to let us do that anymore.

[Tom Earp]

Brother Jono is totaly correct about the "glee" that was seen on the faces of undergrads who took the opportunity to fill the school buses to drive/ride for 20-30 minutes from the hotel in the rain!

He and I were dissapointed int the amount of history that he and I were expecting to see. But, that is us only. The many donations that have been given by many is not really shown as those who have been there can attest because of space.

It is a working IHQ with little space and is set up as best as can be. There was money used to refirb the Building as it was needed.

Cost of expansion of the building as I said takes away from the true expansion of building LXA as a Brotherhood. It is not cheap by any means and we have so much more than other GLOs.

Would I love to see a full wing for historical items, you bet!

Brandon, I type the way I type as all or most Brothers know it is called Earp Speak!

I use CAPITALS for emphasis!

I also typo very well and have clutchy fingers! I was not an English major!

But I have the same thing in common as all of My Brothers, "THE LOVE OF LXA"!

For those Brothers who may not go then maybe they should and see the IHQ!

If Brother Mike Raymond says He is received well, I will say that anyone who comes to IHQ will be received the same way!

I have never heard of anyone turned away.

We are LXA as Brothers.

If anyone wishes to look on GCs ee how much action is on LXA Thread!

Huge, cause we are The Best!