LCA fez on Ebay. Wow...

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by PiLambda1

At the very least it needs to all be photographed and logged in
case it is ever lost in <choke> a fire. Hard to substantiate the loss
of a $500 fez when you can't prove you had it in the first place.

I don't think expansion is even an option considered by HQ. Too
much money...not enough gain (maybe visiting alumni would
donate, but a UG will be mad at the expense because he doesn't
give a crap...yet)

Exhibit in the Jedi Archive perhaps?

Sorry Brother B. but I am sure lost on this post along with others!

Yes, an UG can and would care if He was able to visit IHQ and walk around and see what is there!

Granted, not enough for sure, but is a mecca to visit!

Have you been there?

[dever860]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Sorry Brother B. but I am sure lost on this post along with others!

Yes, an UG can and would care if He was able to visit IHQ and walk around and see what is there!

Granted, not enough for sure, but is a mecca to visit!

Have you been there?

Hell I cant wait to go over to Indiana, first time ive ever said that in my life!

[PiLambda1]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Sorry Brother B. but I am sure lost on this post along with others!

Yes, an UG can and would care if He was able to visit IHQ and walk around and see what is there!

Granted, not enough for sure, but is a mecca to visit!

Have you been there?

You are too old to understand my references. I am too impatient
to explain them most of the time. Search Wikipedia for the following
terms: Jedi, Jedi Archives.

At the very least it needs to all be photographed and logged in
case it is ever lost in <choke> a fire. Hard to substantiate the loss
of a $500 fez when you can't prove you had it in the first place.
- This is a reference to INSURANCE.
- This is also a reference to the ebay fez as well and it's cost. No one
would believe a stupid looking hat cost that much money unless it is
documented and insured! It burns - it's gone. We lose.


A UG won't care because UG's can't get to Indiana unless they are
at Valpo or Butler. If it's just in boxes in a basement, it's all junk.
It needs to be sorted and categorized. Explainations need to be put
on items that may be ambiguous.

I've never been to HQ. I'll never go. If I want to see random junk in
a basement I'll go to mine.

If they get it set up where you don't have to pilfer through it or
search to figure out what stuff is and where it came from - I'm there.
Until then, UGs won't go...and I'm betting they aren't really wanted.
I'm sure they'd just say we'd get in the way or break something.

Tom- NOTE: Pronouns are NOT CAPITALIZED. He, she, it, him, her,
or others are NOT to be capitalized unless at the beginning of a
sentence or in reference to God or a higher power. Your posts are
SO damn hard to read sometimes...

Dever - I'm sure you are, but you are in the rare breed of UGs that
frequent and ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD. There's 20 or so of us on this
board. You have a stronger interest in the fraternity than most.

[docroc67]

Originally Posted by PiLambda1

You are too old to understand my references. I am too impatient
to explain them most of the time. Search Wikipedia for the following
terms: Jedi, Jedi Archives.

At the very least it needs to all be photographed and logged in
case it is ever lost in <choke> a fire. Hard to substantiate the loss
of a $500 fez when you can't prove you had it in the first place.
- This is a reference to INSURANCE.
- This is also a reference to the ebay fez as well and it's cost. No one
would believe a stupid looking hat cost that much money unless it is
documented and insured! It burns - it's gone. We lose.


A UG won't care because UG's can't get to Indiana unless they are
at Valpo or Butler. If it's just in boxes in a basement, it's all junk.
It needs to be sorted and categorized. Explainations need to be put
on items that may be ambiguous.

I've never been to HQ. I'll never go. If I want to see random junk in
a basement I'll go to mine.

If they get it set up where you don't have to pilfer through it or
search to figure out what stuff is and where it came from - I'm there.
Until then, UGs won't go...and I'm betting they aren't really wanted.
I'm sure they'd just say we'd get in the way or break something.

Tom- NOTE: Pronouns are NOT CAPITALIZED. He, she, it, him, her,
or others are NOT to be capitalized unless at the beginning of a
sentence or in reference to God or a higher power. Your posts are
SO damn hard to read sometimes...

Dever - I'm sure you are, but you are in the rare breed of UGs that
frequent and ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD. There's 20 or so of us on this
board. You have a stronger interest in the fraternity than most.

Brothers,

I visit IHQ about once a month. There is an interest in presenting our history in the best possible light. They have changed things around enough so that they have a fine conference room. They also have a room that displays many Lambda Chi and Theta Kappa Nu artifacts. It looks quite professional to me.

The staff has also gone through the basement and fireproof safe recently. They have taken additional steps to protect our historic items. Simple steps like archival bags and putting the most precious documents in the fireproof safe!

Of course, a professional archivist would be a blessing. Do we have a qualified volunteer in the Indianapolis area? I can't speak for IHQ, but I bet that they would welcome the help....

Expansion is possible. It can be done without the UGs.

Alumni donations specifically dedicated to the preservation of our archives and the construction of a building addition (with a museum area) could happen. Again, I can't speak for the Educational Foundation, but I think that this is a "natural" fund raising opportunity.

I know many of the men and women who work at the IHQ. I am certain that they would welcome individual members and groups of members for a visit.

Our Colony visited them first semester for a ZAX session. It took place in the new conference area and was well received by our Colony.

I am very sympathetic to our IHQ staff, they could use some better working spaces too.

A lot needs to be done. I don't think it is possible for any organization, or society for that matter, to do everything that everybody wants done. Not enough resources. I think that our leadership does a very credible job with the resources available to them.

Maybe the best thing that I can say about them is that they are our Brothers.

Not perfect by any means. But, I have worked with many of them over a pretty good period of time and I found very few of them lacking skill and commitment.

I like visiting our IHQ because I feel welcomed and I feel that they are doing good work on our behalf.

So, if you are ever in Indianapolis, you have to visit our IHQ building.

Yours in ZAX,

Mike Raymond,
ZU-Zeta

[dever860]

Originally Posted by PiLambda1

Dever - I'm sure you are, but you are in the rare breed of UGs that
frequent and ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD. There's 20 or so of us on this
board. You have a stronger interest in the fraternity than most.

An unfortunate fact in my opinion... I do wish more people would take the time to appreciate all that LCA has, and has done. From grammar school to college I have heard people talk about historic events that I was never part of, and is most cases wasn't even alive to witness. Thing about LCA, when you are initiated you part of history that will hopefully be around as long as there are fraternal organizations around.

Unfortunately I have to contradict my last statement, which I hate doing. I also feel that to be part of LCA history you actually have to accomplish something while you are a member. I know plenty of men who have and will lose interest as soon as they get their piece of paper and are out the door into the real world. Point being you have to earn your place in history, hopefully for the good.

Out of all of my uncles, and my father, I am the only son that has joined LCA (they mainly had girls). I feel like I have to do everything do what they did for their Zeta. Perhaps I am special because I have a reason? It would be nice if everyone found their reason.

[JonoBN41]

[QUOTE]If they get it set up where you don't have to pilfer through it or
search to figure out what stuff is and where it came from - I'm there.
Until then, UGs won't go...and I'm betting they aren't really wanted.
I'm sure they'd just say we'd get in the way or break something.[QUOTE]

I disagree 100%

Tom, Mike, and I were at the 2004 General Assembly in Indianapolis and were on the school buses LOADED with undergraduates being taken to IHQ for a nightime tour. To this day I cannot get over the excitement shown by the undergraduates.

There's a coat of arms in the pathway outside the front door and those guys crowded around it, taking pictures with digital cameras and cell phones in the dark. Inside, the place was absolutely packed. I found it hard to move around. They were like kids in a candy shop.

There are lots of exhibits and displays at IHQ - it's just that there's not room enough for everything at the moment. But, again, pictures were being taken constantly. I'm sure the staff was a bit overwhelmed (especially with G.A. going on) but they were courteous, helpful, and answered the many questions fired at them from all directions.

On the ride back to the hotel, the undergrads enthusiastically passed around their camers and cell phones, showing the pics they had just taken.

You're damned right they were interested! It's something I'll never forget!

In ZAX,
Jono

[Tom Earp]

[QUOTE=JonoBN41;1443440][QUOTE]If they get it set up where you don't have to pilfer through it or
search to figure out what stuff is and where it came from - I'm there.
Until then, UGs won't go...and I'm betting they aren't really wanted.
I'm sure they'd just say we'd get in the way or break something.

I disagree 100%

Tom, Mike, and I were at the 2004 General Assembly in Indianapolis and were on the school buses LOADED with undergraduates being taken to IHQ for a nightime tour. To this day I cannot get over the excitement shown by the undergraduates.

There's a coat of arms in the pathway outside the front door and those guys crowded around it, taking pictures with digital cameras and cell phones in the dark. Inside, the place was absolutely packed. I found it hard to move around. They were like kids in a candy shop.

There are lots of exhibits and displays at IHQ - it's just that there's not room enough for everything at the moment. But, again, pictures were being taken constantly. I'm sure the staff was a bit overwhelmed (especially with G.A. going on) but they were courteous, helpful, and answered the many questions fired at them from all directions.

On the ride back to the hotel, the undergrads enthusiastically passed around their camers and cell phones, showing the pics they had just taken.

You're damned right they were interested! It's something I'll never forget!

In ZAX,
Jono

Brother Jono is so right of the visit that was set up!

The glee was evident seeing the smiles in their faces! Well, I am sure as well as His and Mine as first timers at IHQ! As I mentioned, our Mecca as it were.

But, in going through it He and I talked about how disappointed in what we saw that was available to see.

Being some a bit of Historians, that was what we were interestred first and fore most.

It was lacking and beleive me, he and I discussed it the rest of the evening!

There has been some discussion about volunteers doing this and I am sure there arensome who will be willing to do it if they are allowed.

There is a need to have it done!

So, History is History Period!

Mike, I am a retailer who is dieing and not a Educational Type.
Rember, I am The Typo King!

[JonoBN41]

Yeah, "glee". That's the word. Thank you, Tom.

[Ottor 246]

Originally Posted by PiLambda1

Until then, UGs won't go...and I'm betting they aren't really wanted.
I'm sure they'd just say we'd get in the way or break something.

Undergrads are definitely welcome at IHQ. At our recent 25th anniversary banquet, our founder showed slides of our founding delegation's visit to IHQ on their way to GA. He had a picture of hiself sitting in the executive director's chair with his feet on the desk. How much more welcome can you be?

The didn't find as warm a reception at the TKE headquarters, when they posed in front of the big "Tau Kappa Epsilon" sign in their Lambda Chi letters. He said they heard later that someone from TKE's HQ had called someone at our HQ and asked them no to let us do that anymore.

[Tom Earp]

Brother Jono is totaly correct about the "glee" that was seen on the faces of undergrads who took the opportunity to fill the school buses to drive/ride for 20-30 minutes from the hotel in the rain!

He and I were dissapointed int the amount of history that he and I were expecting to see. But, that is us only. The many donations that have been given by many is not really shown as those who have been there can attest because of space.

It is a working IHQ with little space and is set up as best as can be. There was money used to refirb the Building as it was needed.

Cost of expansion of the building as I said takes away from the true expansion of building LXA as a Brotherhood. It is not cheap by any means and we have so much more than other GLOs.

Would I love to see a full wing for historical items, you bet!

Brandon, I type the way I type as all or most Brothers know it is called Earp Speak!

I use CAPITALS for emphasis!

I also typo very well and have clutchy fingers! I was not an English major!

But I have the same thing in common as all of My Brothers, "THE LOVE OF LXA"!

For those Brothers who may not go then maybe they should and see the IHQ!

If Brother Mike Raymond says He is received well, I will say that anyone who comes to IHQ will be received the same way!

I have never heard of anyone turned away.

We are LXA as Brothers.

If anyone wishes to look on GCs ee how much action is on LXA Thread!

Huge, cause we are The Best!

[GammaZeta]

I think that there are many schools of thought on this topic.

There are some brothers/chapters that really embrace the national fraternity/HQ/history of the entire fraternity attitude. Usually that same attitude carries out to the whole chapter.

Then there are other brothers/chapters that embrace a more localized approach. A lot of the New England chapters fall (or fell) into this category during my time. At Gamma Zeta, we were always more concerned about our local history. Of course, we did have a long history so it was easier to get excited about it.

Some brothers view HQ as "Mecca", while others just don't care. I appreciate LXA history in several ways, first I am a history freak and love early 1900 historical items, secondly I love local history, I have studied the local history of where (Amherst/Springfield) I live and it just so happens LXA is part of it.

I guess part of it is being from New England. Everyday we drive to work or go shopping, and most of the time we pass by dozens of historical sites. We can actually be where the Revolutionary War started, walk the Freedom Trail, see where the Pilgrims landed, and on and on. History to me is being in the place, feeling the items.

After the 20's and 30's, when LXA history shifts from the New England area, I am just not interested. Most brothers will never make it to HQ. It doesn't make them any more or LESS of a brother than those that have made it.

I think it is important not to judge other brothers by their love, or hate of our history.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by GammaZeta

I think that there are many schools of thought on this topic.

There are some brothers/chapters that really embrace the national fraternity/HQ/history of the entire fraternity attitude. Usually that same attitude carries out to the whole chapter.

Then there are other brothers/chapters that embrace a more localized approach. A lot of the New England chapters fall (or fell) into this category during my time. At Gamma Zeta, we were always more concerned about our local history. Of course, we did have a long history so it was easier to get excited about it.

Some brothers view HQ as "Mecca", while others just don't care. I appreciate LXA history in several ways, first I am a history freak and love early 1900 historical items, secondly I love local history, I have studied the local history of where (Amherst/Springfield) I live and it just so happens LXA is part of it.

I guess part of it is being from New England. Everyday we drive to work or go shopping, and most of the time we pass by dozens of historical sites. We can actually be where the Revolutionary War started, walk the Freedom Trail, see where the Pilgrims landed, and on and on. History to me is being in the place, feeling the items.

After the 20's and 30's, when LXA history shifts from the New England area, I am just not interested. Most brothers will never make it to HQ. It doesn't make them any more or LESS of a brother than those that have made it.

I think it is important not to judge other brothers by their love, or hate of our history.

I find this very interesting!

Yes, IHQ is the home of LXA. Yes, many place emphasis on the local basis. But the leadership comes from a central point and that goes back again to IHQ in Indianopolis.

While Indy is not in the center of LXA Zetas, it was back then when the Zetas were closer and fewer along with tax breaks.

Would I love to see it closer to the center of the Zetas, that would bve in Kansas City and I could work with the saved history.

Will it happen, I doubt it.

But, many have gone to IHQ and enjoyed the experience as some of us did!

Would I go back, You bet!

I would want into the Basement and go crazy!

They would have to send the SWAT Team in to get me!

[GammaZeta]

That's just the thing Tom. We always felt leadership didn't come from HQ, but from within our Zeta. We always felt there was a disconnect between HQ and the chapters. Maybe it was because of the physical distance? Maybe we didn't get as much attention due to our size? We never really could afford as a chapter to go to all the conferences and meetings.

We just never thought HQ ever really understood our particular situation. And I wouldn't expect them to, especially with 100's of other zetas, they cannot be specific to each one.

Just remember, some zeta's had the ability and resources to grow close with HQ, while others never had that benefit.

I also think that at the time before email and electronic communication, there was a communications breakdown with HQ and the chapters. Some of you youngsters have to remember that back in 98 and 97, we didn't have the ability to email or electronically fill out forms.

Today it is so much easier to contact HQ and get the necessary resources.

A Zeta that is not close to HQ is not a bad Zeta. A Zeta that is close to HQ is not a good Zeta. We all adapt to what is available and what is best for our brotherhood, chapter and university.