Imus Still in Hot Water

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Conskeeted7

Why all of a sudden is white America so concerned with the language that blacks use toward each other? I'm not buying the double standard crap. White people don't use that kind of language for any positive reason. Who are we really kidding here?

So you are effectively saying that black people use terms like ni*ger, bitch, ho, etc. in a positive way? Right, right, right.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Conskeeted7

These issues are not comparable at all. I still cannot believe that white people cannot understand why the connotation when they use 'racial slang' is different than when used by people of the same race. Since apparently most white people are not willing to acknowledge that difference, evidenced by their continued attempts at incorporating it into their dialogues, the best solution for white people is to just leave that language alone. This is especially true since there's such a negative outcry when it's used. Why keep trying? Why worry about it? Why all of a sudden is white America so concerned with the language that blacks use toward each other? I'm not buying the double standard crap. White people don't use that kind of language for any positive reason. Who are we really kidding here?

Did you not read the rest of my post?

I don't support whites using the language, nor do I support cries of "double standard" - I do, however, think your 'best solution' is actively detrimental to the efforts of intelligent people to actually help with racial inequality in this country.

However, I also buy DSTChaos's point re: average intelligence . . . so there's that, I guess.

[Tom Earp]

Jason Whitlock, a Black writer for the Kansas City Star brought a very good point about this!

If Imus is brought to task by Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson, then why are they not made to apologize to the members of the Duke Lacross team that they made a bit to do about?

They can raise all kinds of stink but it never rubs off on them as they are a couole of pious people!

So, where is their apology to the young me of Duke?

[macallan25]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/statica...icle55179.html

The Imus Lynch Party: Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted: April 13, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

"In the end, it was not about Imus. It was about us.

Are we really a better country because, after he was publicly whipped for 10 days as the worst kind of racist, with whom no decent person could associate, he was thrown off the air?

Cards on the table.

This writer works for MSNBC, has been on the Imus show scores of times, watches Imus every morning, and likes the show, the music and the guys: the I-Man, Bernie, Charles and Tom Bowman.

And Imus is among the best interviewers in our business. Not only does he read and follow the news closely, he listens and probes as well as any interviewer in America. Because he is a comic, people mistake how good a questioner he is.

(Column continues below).........

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Then I never, ever want to hear the word honkey or camel jockey out of a black person's mouth ever again. And don't worry why they shouldn't use it. Let us white people and Arabs worry about it.

I agree with the bolded but that goes without saying for many people who think that some words are unnecessary in the first place.

Regarding the rest, nonwhites who used those words never wondered, or remotely cared about, why they shouldn't use it. If confronted with the inappropriateness of those words, they wouldn't use "well, THEY say it" as an excuse as many nonblacks tend to do with us. Instead those individuals would probably say they are paying whites back for years of oppression and/or don't give a damn and hope you choke on your hurt feelings.

Originally Posted by macallan25

The funny thing is though....I really don't give a shit if it happens. If some random black guy wants to call me a honkey or a cracker....then so be it. Congratulations. I certainly can find better things to do than start a huge hoopla over it.

Because those words don't have a history of oppression behind them. If whites were called those names while being denied service at restaurants, denied jobs or hanging from trees, you would probably feel differently or at least understand why other whites feel differently than you do.

I always found those words inappropriate but that's based on a general bigotry and humanity argument that has nothing to do with racism or discrimination. If whites want to call each other whatever, that's whites' business and doesn't mean I should do the same. The same logic applies to nonblacks trying to mock whatever they see or hear some blacks do or say to each other (I still say some things should be kept AMONGST each other, if kept at all).

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AGDee

It was his producer that made the "jiggaboo vs. wannabe" reference and who, in fact, started the conversation, but nobody is slamming him at all. I find that odd too. Shouldn't they be equally responsible here? Held to the same standard? I hope that he has been fired also.

Producers tend not to make off-hand comments on their own. It isn't their show--they are mostly behind the scenes for a reason. Perhaps Imus created the climate for such jokes and kept it going instead of letting it be known that such comments will not be tolerated.

Originally Posted by AGDee

From what I've read, particularly on Wikipedia, he has been an equal opportunity offender.

Not a particular good source for complete info on this topic. There is an article out now that discusses how Imus supposedly hired someone to do "N**** jokes."

So he used to be an equal opportunity offender until he went too far with some groups. Not just making fun of PEOPLE/political figures but making jokes that have the potential to target and/or offend groups of people (such as Jews, blacks, some argue even Christians). Those groups have every right to complain. Most didn't, a Christian group/viewers did, and that was their choice. That doesn't stop the ball from rolling for those who did complain.

Anyway, not much discussion is needed from here. MSNBC, CBS, and the corporations have spoken.

[Tom Earp]

Still does not give Al and Jessie Carte Blanch to make accusations and ruin peoples same rights no matter what does it?

They are back stabing idiots who preach
goodness and are phonys!

[AKA_Monet]

I am sorry, I like this:



And you can purchase T-shirts >HERE<

I know folks are very sensitive and that's cool. But, there is a reason for everything and a wrinkled up shriveled dicked balleress old dude was NEVER gonna get with any ho, nappy or otherwise...

And that's cool if some luser who cain't cum even with Cialis in the backyard bath wants to bash Athletetic or Black Women. That's the reason his wife left his ass in the first place.

But overall, Imus will be aiight. You all know this was a set up and a plant.

[Conskeeted7]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Did you not read the rest of my post?

I don't support whites using the language, nor do I support cries of "double standard" - I do, however, think your 'best solution' is actively detrimental to the efforts of intelligent people to actually help with racial inequality in this country.

However, I also buy DSTChaos's point re: average intelligence . . . so there's that, I guess.

To be honest, I only skimmed your post...LOL...but I will go back and reread

I don't think it's helpful to ignore the problem this type of language causes or what it represents when used by any race. However, just because that problem is not yet solved does not mean it's acceptable for White people to use it until we get it together on our end.

[Conskeeted7]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I don't think any language of that sort is used in a positive way, unless calling your wife a ho is considered classy in the black community. I'm sorry, you can't own a word or stop just certain people from using a word, especially when it's everywhere around you, from music to movies, to overhearing it in the malls and even in school. You can't expect white people to forget that these words exist if blacks won't stop using these words as well.

I don't think it's realistic to expect anyone to forget that this language exists. That alone, however, does not condone usage. I think those are two very different issues.

In the situations above (mall, movies, school, etc.), do you see White people using this language towards Blacks with a positive outcome? I never have. That is why I don't understand the need or desire to continue trying.

[AKA_Monet]

My boss often says folks can "say" what they want, look beyond that. What counts is their actions. But, my collegiate education said "word is bond" and "words are powerful, they are symbols of ideas" or "one word can change a persons life".

Again, we have GC racial stratification, which is an interesting outcome and concept here. No one really knows what one looks like except a few people around here. And most of us who decide to state what ethnic category we support (for today--that's a side issue). And we still are stratifying and not coming together toward working to change "processing errors".

Look, this cat, Imus, was thrown to the wolves. The reason he was, because MSNBC does not know how to get rid of him legally. He says something ignorant, then they have justification they need.

Yes, he'll probably get a Sirius show and make all the money we wants. So what really happen? Imus is not showing "remorse". He's doing the remorseful thing by speaking to the parents and the young ladies on the Rutgers team. But remorse? Remorseful for what he thought and said? No.

So why is a few stupid words and choice of language made this man take a media-public flogging?

C'mon, folks, this is a set up! Either he or MSNBC wanted out. That's the only way to explain it. Then he comes up looking redeemed so that "we" can us Jesus to view his salvation and forgiveness. Oldest trick in the book...

Am I upset he said it? Not really. It definitely does not pay my light bill.

Did he hurt these young ladies self-esteem? Maybe, because what he really was saying is they play like crap and he used mental images as to how.

But there is a deeper issue here and there has always, IMO, a denigration of women of African descent. And making ourselves look attractive even to our own men has been very difficult. Saying those words, "nappy headed ho", means on the street a woman who cannot take care of herself, usually a Black female prostitute who is on drugs.

And that is why the wolves were called out.

These bastketball players are not "black female prostitutes on drugs". They are all different kinds of backgrounds working very hard to go to college and play basketball. Now if they are not the BEST team, so be it. But, these young ladies did not deserve being called an implied definition of a "black female prostitute that is one drugs".

As far as rappers go, they have been told numerous times to be mindful of their "invocations". But that's another thread for a different day.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I am sorry, I like this:



And you can purchase T-shirts >HERE<

I know folks are very sensitive and that's cool. But, there is a reason for everything and a wrinkled up shriveled dicked balleress old dude was NEVER gonna get with any ho, nappy or otherwise...

And that's cool if some luser who cain't cum even with Cialis in the backyard bath wants to bash Athletetic or Black Women. That's the reason his wife left his ass in the first place.

But overall, Imus will be aiight. You all know this was a set up and a plant.

See, sometimes I look like that picture. Actually today when I woke up, my hair looked exactly like that. But if I got that tshirt, it'd be insensitive. I often refer to my own hair as nappy, and I hear it used alot by whites. Never thought it was a bad connotation... just thought that it meant your hair was knotted or messed up.

On everything else.... cum means something different to people. So I'd appreciate you not using that type of language. Oh and "luser" is spelled "loser". You're a scholar. You constantly brag about being one on here, so spell your words right.

[shinerbock]

side note, Imus's wife is a significantly younger busty blond, if i recall correctly.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

On everything else.... cum means something different to people. So I'd appreciate you not using that type of language.

Oh and "luser" is spelled "loser". You're a scholar. You constantly brag about being one on here, so spell your words right.

Ummm, it looks like she used that word in its usual connotation.

Also, look who's talking, Miss Prejudism.

I am so uninterested in Don Imus and what he said.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Ummm, it looks like she used that word in its usual connotation.

Also, look who's talking, Miss Prejudism.

I am so uninterested in Don Imus and what he said.

I agree with PM's comments, Monet's comments were pretty crass.