Black student - 7 yrs Assault/ White student - probation arson, Paris TX

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

This is lame excuse to justify hate. Period. That's lame and you know it. Instead of being the "bigger person", the "better person" and making that difference in people's lives you'd rather trivialize their being.

Just because it's the easy thing to do, I guess we just do it because we don't want to be better people than simpletons.

I guess this is what happens when the "Me.com" generation grows up. So selfish, run over anyone different...

I'm not justifying hate, don't put words into my mouth.

People are going to discriminate! Deal with it!

I'm appalled that you somehow imply that I'm part of the "me.com" generation, when your attitude has you right in that generation too. Your claiming that I'm "selfish" and that I need to be the "bigger person". What about you? You come onto this thread and start blowing your horn "screaming" at me and others.

Everyone has been discriminated against, in one way or another.



And if you had really read what people have been saying, none of us are discriminating. In fact we are all saying that it sucks that in today's society the people are getting discriminated because of their name.

Can most of us do anything about it? Hell no.

What people are saying, not all but some, is that they feel parents should really take their children's names into account and how it will effect them growing up.

Again, can we control that? No.

Originally Posted by sdsuchelle

Oh damn, my name is Michelle and Heather was my parents' 2nd choice.

Why am I so white

I think there is a misunderstanding with what I meant.

Ex. My mom had a student named Ja'Shanae. One would probably assume (and correctly) from her name that she is African American. But if she had the name Heather, people would probably assume, because of her name, that she is a White person (and they would have been incorrect). That was the whole point of what they were doing. To study peoples assumptions on race based on the persons name. (They were also looking at the discrimination of employers).

[AKA_Monet]

What are you all really trying to say? That people have no right to name their children? That it is okay, cool and copastetic for an employer to NOT review a file because how a name sounds that different from their own?

I have not heard you all say anything different from that. And I am hearing justification for that illogic. It's bullisht and you all know it. Your pissed off because I am calling you on it.

And I find it EFFin' selfish that people should have the names you all DEEM proper and appropriate. Like you should know what it is like to have a child and the choice of names.

We are not in Sweden where we have to make people change the names they give their children. We are the United States that last I checked was about freedom and democracy.

Who the HAYLE do you think you are to say some crap like people should review what to name their children?

So what, a kid's name is Shaniqua or Ashante? What of it? Do you know what their chances are in life? And how can you say it is any different from a Betty or a Valerie? The best we can do is provide for the betterment of ALL KIDS. Not just yours or who you think is worthy. But ALL.

We all know you folks are not about that equal access and opportunity here. If you were, you not make the kinds of Bullisht discussion about names. However, since you folks choose to belittle and demean me, it's cool. But what you all are doing is EFF'ed up...

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

What are you all really trying to say? That people have no right to name their children? That it is okay, cool and copastetic for an employer to NOT review a file because how a name sounds that different from their own?

I have not heard you all say anything different from that. And I am hearing justification for that illogic. It's bullisht and you all know it. Your pissed off because I am calling you on it.

And I find it EFFin' selfish that people should have the names you all DEEM proper and appropriate. Like you should know what it is like to have a child and the choice of names.

We are not in Sweden where we have to make people change the names they give their children. We are the United States that last I checked was about freedom and democracy.

Who the HAYLE do you think you are to say some crap like people should review what to name their children?

So what, a kid's name is Shaniqua or Ashante? What of it? Do you know what their chances are in life? And how can you say it is any different from a Betty or a Valerie? The best we can do is provide for the betterment of ALL KIDS. Not just yours or who you think is worthy. But ALL.

We all know you folks are not about that equal access and opportunity here. If you were, you not make the kinds of Bullisht discussion about names. However, since you folks choose to belittle and demean me, it's cool. But what you all are doing is EFF'ed up...

You need to get it in your thick head that no one has sad anything remotely close to it being ok for an employer to look over someone because of a name or that people don't have the right to name their children. You have convinced yourself that we have and it is making you look like a raging psycho. Perhaps you should review the last few pages and reevaluate your thoughts. Acknowledging facts is completely different than agreeing with them.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

What are you all really trying to say? That people have no right to name their children? That it is okay, cool and copastetic for an employer to NOT review a file because how a name sounds that different from their own?

No - what she is saying is that people have the right to give their kid whatever name they want, but that the parents should think about what they are doing and not pick a name out of their ass, in the moment, or as part of some fad (ie. Moonbeam, Porche, Dweezle, Princess, Bambi, etc).

Like it or not names are an indication of a person's socio-economic status and the enviroment in which they where raised - all of influence the character of the person with the name... and as part of being a social animal we pick-up on these indicators to help us build a picture of who the person is prior to meeting them. Sure the actual person may not fit the image given by their name, but prior to an actual meeting a name is the first and lasting impression.

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

What are you all really trying to say? That people have no right to name their children? That it is okay, cool and copastetic for an employer to NOT review a file because how a name sounds that different from their own?

I have not heard you all say anything different from that. And I am hearing justification for that illogic. It's bullisht and you all know it. Your pissed off because I am calling you on it.

And I find it EFFin' selfish that people should have the names you all DEEM proper and appropriate. Like you should know what it is like to have a child and the choice of names.

We are not in Sweden where we have to make people change the names they give their children. We are the United States that last I checked was about freedom and democracy.

Who the HAYLE do you think you are to say some crap like people should review what to name their children?

So what, a kid's name is Shaniqua or Ashante? What of it? Do you know what their chances are in life? And how can you say it is any different from a Betty or a Valerie? The best we can do is provide for the betterment of ALL KIDS. Not just yours or who you think is worthy. But ALL.

We all know you folks are not about that equal access and opportunity here. If you were, you not make the kinds of Bullisht discussion about names. However, since you folks choose to belittle and demean me, it's cool. But what you all are doing is EFF'ed up...

I'm not sure why you aren't really reading what people are saying and that you are putting words into our mouths, but whatever.


Here is the study that 20/20 did:


Sept. 21, 2006 — Studies of resumes have found that people with black-sounding names are less likely to get callbacks.

"20/20" put 22 pairs of names to the test, posting identical resumes except for the names at the top.

Watch "20/20" Friday Night at 10

The resumes with the white-sounding names were actually downloaded 17 percent more often by job recruiters than the resumes with black-sounding names.

What are some of those names? Here's a list from the book "Freakonomics," by Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner, showing the top 20 whitest- and blackest-sounding girl and boy names.

Here's the link to read the names they used in the study and to read the above via the ABC site:

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2470131&page=1



For the 3rd time, let me emphasize, we are not saying it is okay! What we are saying is that it is unfortunately a reality in the world we live in!

Is it right? No

The great thing that came out of the study (from watching the 20/20 episode, unfortunately the article doesn't say what happened) the employers were made to look like racists because they were pulling that crap.

I did search the ABC transcripts archive but I couldn't find the show name. After September 06, the transcripts don't have information (details) so I wasn't able to find a trasncript of the episode.

[shinerbock]

AKA, as much as I disagree with you, you've generally been a lot more rational than this. You're blatantly lying about what people have been saying, despite the evidence being right in front of you. Try taking a minute to read what people have ACTUALLY said.

[UGAalum94]

AKAMonet,

For what it's worth, that's not what I am saying.

I don't think it's right for people to discriminate based on names.

I don't think people at large can choose the names for other people's kids.

[AKA_Monet]

Given this Imus situtation, I am going to remind folks what my English Professor would always tell me:

"Words are powerful, they are the symbols of ideas".

Now, I already know what the quasi-research is out there on "Naming" folks, you all are stating the obvious to me. I am one of the GC Scholars here, so you are not telling me anything by quoting some TV or website.

I am asking for more from you, because I am training for professorship and sometimes it is hard for me to break out of that mold. I am constantly trying to get my students thinking critically and expound upon their given knowlege to reach a higher meaning. All scholars do that. The professor I currently work for does it to me all the time and he is quite intelligent a Harvard Graduate and a M.D./Ph.D. Moreover, he use to do local late-night talk radio.

But, that aside, I think you all fail to understand what I am saying. Yes, Black Folks should reconsider what they name their children - especially if they are named after cars they cannot afford, like Maybach.

But, history says that when my anscestors where brought here in chains, their names were beaten into them, from Kunta Kinte to Toby...

So when folks tell me anything regarding naming our children and a process to follow, that is the image that comes up in my mind.

Why did George Formen name all his sons "George" and all his daughters "Georgina". Because history states that long time ago, when the Klan decided to lynch someone, they had a hard time finding the right person unless the killed the entire village-i.e. Rosewood and Tulsa.

So there is history behind what I say and when I say it, it is not coming outta my ass. Most of the time, I have some basis. Otherwise, others are more willing to tell me.

[cheerfulgreek]

OMG. We're debating over what someone wants to name their kid? Why does it even matter?

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Given this Imus situtation, I am going to remind folks what my English Professor would always tell me:

"Words are powerful, they are the symbols of ideas".

Now, I already know what the quasi-research is out there on "Naming" folks, you all are stating the obvious to me. I am one of the GC Scholars here, so you are not telling me anything by quoting some TV or website.

I am asking for more from you, because I am training for professorship and sometimes it is hard for me to break out of that mold. I am constantly trying to get my students thinking critically and expound upon their given knowlege to reach a higher meaning. All scholars do that. The professor I currently work for does it to me all the time and he is quite intelligent a Harvard Graduate and a M.D./Ph.D. Moreover, he use to do local late-night talk radio.

But, that aside, I think you all fail to understand what I am saying. Yes, Black Folks should reconsider what they name their children - especially if they are named after cars they cannot afford, like Maybach.

But, history says that when my anscestors where brought here in chains, their names were beaten into them, from Kunta Kinte to Toby...

So when folks tell me anything regarding naming our children and a process to follow, that is the image that comes up in my mind.

Why did George Formen name all his sons "George" and all his daughters "Georgina". Because history states that long time ago, when the Klan decided to lynch someone, they had a hard time finding the right person unless the killed the entire village-i.e. Rosewood and Tulsa.

So there is history behind what I say and when I say it, it is not coming outta my ass. Most of the time, I have some basis. Otherwise, others are more willing to tell me.

Just because you are a "scholar" and have some basis behind what you say doesn't excuse the fact that you blatantly lied about the things that people involved in this discussion were saying simply to aid your own arguments. Take shinerbock's advice and go re-read what people ACTUALLY said.

[JonInKC]

At least the thread didn't go off on a tangent.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Just because you are a "scholar" and have some basis behind what you say doesn't excuse the fact that you blatantly lied about the things that people involved in this discussion were saying simply to aid your own arguments. Take shinerbock's advice and go re-read what people ACTUALLY said.

May be I don't see it that way and I don't see it as a lie. Your facts are not my reality. So what is truth?

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Just because you are a "scholar" and have some basis behind what you say doesn't excuse the fact that you blatantly lied about the things that people involved in this discussion were saying simply to aid your own arguments. Take shinerbock's advice and go re-read what people ACTUALLY said.

Dude, when you're a scholar you only worry about your own opinion and perception. Reality and reason be damned.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

May be I don't see it that way and I don't see it as a lie. Your facts are not my reality. So what is truth?

Bwahahahaha. This is funny. Look, I don't think anyone at this point is talking about whether what they have written is factual/truthful or not. At least i'm not. We are talking about the actual sentences that we typed out and how you somehow managed to completely ignore them, made up some nonsense that we didn't say, and then typed out your responses based on your criticisms of our nonexistent thoughts. The things that you claimed we said.........were not said. You blatantly lied to yourself about what we typed. That is the truth. What is factual, is there any truth behind our statements..........that stuff is completely besides the point.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Bwahahahaha. This is funny. Look, I don't think anyone at this point is talking about whether what they have written is factual/truthful or not. At least i'm not. We are talking about the actual sentences that we typed out and how you somehow managed to completely ignore them, made up some nonsense that we didn't say, and then typed out your responses based on your criticisms of our nonexistent thoughts. The things that you claimed we said.........were not said. You blatantly lied to yourself about what we typed. That is the truth. What is factual, is there any truth behind our statements..........that stuff is completely besides the point.

Wait, first of all what you have typed is a whole load of bull crap. And if is not based on some level of a factual information, then I cannot argue it, which makes it distortion of the truth, thereby leading to a lie. Hey, either way you spin this crap, it is still what it is.

I don't have time to go thru the diatribes, but your sentance structure is illogical. What you can say to me in a paragraph you can state in 3 bullet points with fewer words.

Live in superfluousness and have your address in mounds and crocks of discharge. But, that is not the way I choose to live my life.

K.I.S.S. = keep it simple stupid... With that, kiss my _____________