Black student - 7 yrs Assault/ White student - probation arson, Paris TX

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

This thread has totally gotten off track

No one is saying that you can't name your kid whatever you want.

They are saying that parents should probably (emphasis on probably, because we can't force anyone to do this) think about the name they chose for their child and how it might effect them in the future.

NO ONE can deny that studies have been done. The one I read and saw on 20/20 was with african americans who had what people would consider "typical" african american names. These participants put up the same resume on monster.com. The resumes with their "white" names (i.e. Michelle, Heather, David) got more hits than the "real" resumes. Of course every company was told at the end about the study and they all released statements that they "don't discriminate".

But guess what we live in a world that discriminates.

People will discriminate until the end of time. We can't change that. They are going to discriminate on your name, the color of your skin, the color your eyes or hair. They will discriminate on whether you have money or not. The type of clothes you wear.

What people are arguing is that parents should think about this and give their children a name that might eliminate some of the discrimination. That they should think about it ahead of time.

Does that mean they have to? NO

Does that mean everyone has to agree with that line of thought? NO

But yet people are still arguing over the point!


It's totally fine if people don't want to think about the names and how it might effect their child in the future. But it is also fine for people to think about the name and how it might effect their child in the future

This is lame excuse to justify hate. Period. That's lame and you know it. Instead of being the "bigger person", the "better person" and making that difference in people's lives you'd rather trivialize their being.

Just because it's the easy thing to do, I guess we just do it because we don't want to be better people than simpletons.

I guess this is what happens when the "Me.com" generation grows up. So selfish, run over anyone different...

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

This is lame excuse to justify hate. Period. That's lame and you know it. Instead of being the "bigger person", the "better person" and making that difference in people's lives you'd rather trivialize their being.

Just because it's the easy thing to do, I guess we just do it because we don't want to be better people than simpletons.

I guess this is what happens when the "Me.com" generation grows up. So selfish, run over anyone different...

Uncalled for.

[UGAalum94]

AKAMonet,

Are you saying that it's hateful even to notice that people might be treated differently because of their names or it's hateful to say it's a parental duty to choose a name that will minimize the bias a kid faces?

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

AKAMonet,

Are you saying that it's hateful even to notice that people might be treated differently because of their names or it's hateful to say it's a parental duty to choose a name that will minimize the bias a kid faces?

I think it is hateful even to notice that people might be treated differently because of their names.

How are you going to enforce the "duty of the parents naming children" in any kind of US court?

[shinerbock]

Its hateful to notice a fact? Crazy.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Its hateful to notice a fact? Crazy.

So you agree making judgements on people based on their names you have deemed inappropriate on a resume without having ever met them?

Notice is looking at a name on a piece of paper.

Not noticing one's hate? Bigot...

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

So you agree making judgements on people based on their names you have deemed inappropriate on a resume without having ever met them?

Notice is looking at a name on a piece of paper.

Not noticing one's hate? Bigot...

I'd respond to this if it made any sense. Are you attending the Tom Earp school of writing?

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I think it is hateful even to notice that people might be treated differently because of their names.

How are you going to enforce the "duty of the parents naming children" in any kind of US court?

This is ridiculous. It is hateful of us to accept the FACT that your name could be a disadvantage to you in society?

Give me a break.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by macallan25

This is ridiculous. It is hateful of us to accept the FACT that your name could be a disadvantage to you in society?

Give me a break.

So, I take it you do not have a Ethnic name?

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

So, I take it you do not have a Ethnic name?

That has nothing to do with it you moron.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I think it is hateful even to notice that people might be treated differently because of their names.

How are you going to enforce the "duty of the parents naming children" in any kind of US court?

I wasn't thinking of it being enforceable at all. It seems to me that there are a lot of unenforceable things that others recognize as duties of good parents: reading to kids, sending them to school ready to learn, attending parents meetings at school, etc. They go way beyond what's required to avoid charges of neglect or anything "enforceable," but society seems to think that good parents do them.

I don't think that it's bad parenting to give your kid a unique name. But I can see that the flip side of "parents should consider this" is the idea that "you didn't consider that, so you're a bad parent," and I was wondering if that's what you were angered by.

I don't think it's hateful to notice discrimination.

I think it's hateful to discriminate on the basis of race.

But I don't think that saying, "hey, naming your kid that may set him or her up for more discrimination" is in itself a hateful statement. It would be hateful to discriminate that way yourself, and it may be stupid to think your opinion matters in what other people name their kids.

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

This is lame excuse to justify hate. Period. That's lame and you know it. Instead of being the "bigger person", the "better person" and making that difference in people's lives you'd rather trivialize their being.

Just because it's the easy thing to do, I guess we just do it because we don't want to be better people than simpletons.

I guess this is what happens when the "Me.com" generation grows up. So selfish, run over anyone different...

I'm not justifying hate, don't put words into my mouth.

People are going to discriminate! Deal with it!

I'm appalled that you somehow imply that I'm part of the "me.com" generation, when your attitude has you right in that generation too. Your claiming that I'm "selfish" and that I need to be the "bigger person". What about you? You come onto this thread and start blowing your horn "screaming" at me and others.

Everyone has been discriminated against, in one way or another.



And if you had really read what people have been saying, none of us are discriminating. In fact we are all saying that it sucks that in today's society the people are getting discriminated because of their name.

Can most of us do anything about it? Hell no.

What people are saying, not all but some, is that they feel parents should really take their children's names into account and how it will effect them growing up.

Again, can we control that? No.

Originally Posted by sdsuchelle

Oh damn, my name is Michelle and Heather was my parents' 2nd choice.

Why am I so white

I think there is a misunderstanding with what I meant.

Ex. My mom had a student named Ja'Shanae. One would probably assume (and correctly) from her name that she is African American. But if she had the name Heather, people would probably assume, because of her name, that she is a White person (and they would have been incorrect). That was the whole point of what they were doing. To study peoples assumptions on race based on the persons name. (They were also looking at the discrimination of employers).

[AKA_Monet]

What are you all really trying to say? That people have no right to name their children? That it is okay, cool and copastetic for an employer to NOT review a file because how a name sounds that different from their own?

I have not heard you all say anything different from that. And I am hearing justification for that illogic. It's bullisht and you all know it. Your pissed off because I am calling you on it.

And I find it EFFin' selfish that people should have the names you all DEEM proper and appropriate. Like you should know what it is like to have a child and the choice of names.

We are not in Sweden where we have to make people change the names they give their children. We are the United States that last I checked was about freedom and democracy.

Who the HAYLE do you think you are to say some crap like people should review what to name their children?

So what, a kid's name is Shaniqua or Ashante? What of it? Do you know what their chances are in life? And how can you say it is any different from a Betty or a Valerie? The best we can do is provide for the betterment of ALL KIDS. Not just yours or who you think is worthy. But ALL.

We all know you folks are not about that equal access and opportunity here. If you were, you not make the kinds of Bullisht discussion about names. However, since you folks choose to belittle and demean me, it's cool. But what you all are doing is EFF'ed up...

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

What are you all really trying to say? That people have no right to name their children? That it is okay, cool and copastetic for an employer to NOT review a file because how a name sounds that different from their own?

I have not heard you all say anything different from that. And I am hearing justification for that illogic. It's bullisht and you all know it. Your pissed off because I am calling you on it.

And I find it EFFin' selfish that people should have the names you all DEEM proper and appropriate. Like you should know what it is like to have a child and the choice of names.

We are not in Sweden where we have to make people change the names they give their children. We are the United States that last I checked was about freedom and democracy.

Who the HAYLE do you think you are to say some crap like people should review what to name their children?

So what, a kid's name is Shaniqua or Ashante? What of it? Do you know what their chances are in life? And how can you say it is any different from a Betty or a Valerie? The best we can do is provide for the betterment of ALL KIDS. Not just yours or who you think is worthy. But ALL.

We all know you folks are not about that equal access and opportunity here. If you were, you not make the kinds of Bullisht discussion about names. However, since you folks choose to belittle and demean me, it's cool. But what you all are doing is EFF'ed up...

You need to get it in your thick head that no one has sad anything remotely close to it being ok for an employer to look over someone because of a name or that people don't have the right to name their children. You have convinced yourself that we have and it is making you look like a raging psycho. Perhaps you should review the last few pages and reevaluate your thoughts. Acknowledging facts is completely different than agreeing with them.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

What are you all really trying to say? That people have no right to name their children? That it is okay, cool and copastetic for an employer to NOT review a file because how a name sounds that different from their own?

No - what she is saying is that people have the right to give their kid whatever name they want, but that the parents should think about what they are doing and not pick a name out of their ass, in the moment, or as part of some fad (ie. Moonbeam, Porche, Dweezle, Princess, Bambi, etc).

Like it or not names are an indication of a person's socio-economic status and the enviroment in which they where raised - all of influence the character of the person with the name... and as part of being a social animal we pick-up on these indicators to help us build a picture of who the person is prior to meeting them. Sure the actual person may not fit the image given by their name, but prior to an actual meeting a name is the first and lasting impression.