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03-28-2007, 10:02 PM
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I understand and applaud your concept. However, I doubt any GLO wants any university to meddle in (or dictate) their fraternity/sorority business or policy.
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I agree about universities meddling in Greek business, it shouldn't happen.
However, in looking at the DePauw situation (especially after reading the statements from the University), the girls are DePauw students first. They went to DePauw for an education. If the university feels that the actions of the HQ were detrimental to the students' well-being, they have every right to say, "Hey...get the hell off the campus."
And now DZ's suing the school saying that the school was responsible for all the bad publicity? Uh, take a look in the mirror, HQ.
I know I may be out of line by saying this, but I hope DZ considers getting new authority soon.
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03-28-2007, 10:35 PM
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However, in looking at the DePauw situation (especially after reading the statements from the University), the girls are DePauw students first. They went to DePauw for an education. If the university feels that the actions of the HQ were detrimental to the students' well-being, they have every right to say, "Hey...get the hell off the campus."
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I agree. But from what I understand of this case, Delta Zeta is saying they followed - or were within - university guidelines etc.
And again, my feeling is that if Delta Zeta is willing to go public like this, there might be merit to their case.
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03-29-2007, 03:52 PM
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As others have mentioned I don't think it is wise for DZ HQ to actually be pursuing this lawsuit. I guess they might be looking at it in the way 'we lost the battle but we'll win the war', which isn't the wisest thing to do. The media attention that was brought upon DZ with what happened has been nothing but negative. The bad thing about it is that negative publicity on greek life really effects us all, but it is going to effect them more.
They should really have just cut their losses and moved on and worry about the active chapters. They are the ones who are going to be walking into formal recruitment in the fall with all this media attention and negative scrutiny over thier heads. Telling your collegians how to respond to negative inquiries from PNM's should be a higher priority than a frivilous lawsuit. Even if they win, which I don't think they will, the campus most likely won't allow them to come back. And even if they were "ordered" to allow DZ back on campus, their reputations are shot and girls will probably not want to join.
I think they are looking at the small picture "I want action, I want justice' and not the big picture of "what is best for our collegians and alums nationwide. What is best for all sisters who proudly wear our letters?"
My heart really goes out to the women of DZ, this is not their fault, and they really are suffering the consequences more than anyone else.
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03-29-2007, 03:58 PM
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Unfortunately, no good outcome for Greek life can come of this....
If DZ wins, it makes all Greeks look bad...if Depauw wins, it can set some legal precedents that Greek life will have a hard time dealing with.
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03-29-2007, 04:02 PM
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I didn't read all 9 pages, but did anyone mention what DZ is hoping to win by filing this lawsuit? Are they hoping that DePauw will allow them back on campus?
As I stated, that wouldn't be their wisest decision, unfortunately the reputation on that campus isn't great now. I don't know, worry about the other 157 chapters. Help those women. Support those women!
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03-29-2007, 04:12 PM
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I didn't read all 9 pages, but did anyone mention what DZ is hoping to win by filing this lawsuit? Are they hoping that DePauw will allow them back on campus?
As I stated, that wouldn't be their wisest decision, unfortunately the reputation on that campus isn't great now. I don't know, worry about the other 157 chapters. Help those women. Support those women!
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Excellent point and well taken!
Now, whom gets the black eye over this situation?
DePauw for saying they are doing the right thing or DZ saaying they have the right to do what they feel is best?
So now, suit, counter suit, who does it help!
As has been said by many posters, just who does this help? Depaw, I am sure they do not care. DZ, well it seems to be a black eye and then, how in the overall picture does it hurt Greeks in Toto?
Mishandled, I would just venture a guess, yes.
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03-29-2007, 05:23 PM
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Just read the legal complaint, and a written contract between Delta Zeta and DePauw does exist called the Greek Standards Initiative.
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03-29-2007, 05:25 PM
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a written contract between Delta Zeta and DePauw does exist called the Greek Standards Initiative.
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Linky pleeez?
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03-29-2007, 06:25 PM
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Just read the legal complaint, and a written contract between Delta Zeta and DePauw does exist called the Greek Standards Initiative.
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Where did you find the complaint?
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03-29-2007, 06:34 PM
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Just read the legal complaint, and a written contract between Delta Zeta and DePauw does exist called the Greek Standards Initiative.
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I just looked over the initiative, and without knowing the minute details of what occured (we are really only given the "broad" picture), I'm sure the university has reason, within the initiative, for kicking them off campus. We don't know if the chapter was turning in their reports on time, or if they were recruiting correctly, etc... (as the initiative suggests).
I'm sure if this lawsuit see's the light of a courthouse/judge, both sides will present the initiative. DePauw will point out the errors DZ made and DZ will point out the errors DePauw made. It really depends on A) who made more errors and B) who makes a stronger case for the errors.
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03-30-2007, 09:12 AM
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Just read the legal complaint, and a written contract between Delta Zeta and DePauw does exist called the Greek Standards Initiative.
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Just read through the Greek Standards Initiative. I don't think it can be called a "contract." Anything where the purpose is described this way -- "the Greek Standards Initiative should serve as a resource document inthe spirit of self-betterment" -- and where we see "expectations" rather than "obligations" fails to meet the definition of a contract, in my opinion.
In any case, I didn't see anything in it one way or the other about withdrawal of University recognition -- just "expectations" with regard to GLOs that are recognized by the University.
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