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02-23-2007, 07:22 PM
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(Now that I see your answer, I remember that I've talked about this before. I apologize if I'm repeating myself.)
I can see what you are saying. Don't you think there are some people though whom come back and change their minds?
I think at UGA what would happen is that a lot of girls would cut themselves out after second round. After first round they would cut the groups who were really interested in them, and then they'd be left with nobody if there early first choices released them.
Maybe for prefs, you are right, but at that point, it's probably just a heads up to the chapter of how bad things are going to be on bid day, as opposed to being able to do anything about it.
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02-23-2007, 09:48 PM
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(Now that I see your answer, I remember that I've talked about this before. I apologize if I'm repeating myself.)
I can see what you are saying. Don't you think there are some people though whom come back and change their minds?
I think at UGA what would happen is that a lot of girls would cut themselves out after second round. After first round they would cut the groups who were really interested in them, and then they'd be left with nobody if there early first choices released them.
Maybe for prefs, you are right, but at that point, it's probably just a heads up to the chapter of how bad things are going to be on bid day, as opposed to being able to do anything about it.
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What about if it were for prefs and maybe even the round before prefs? I could see going ahead and having a PNM have a full schedule but after 2-3 rounds you usually have a good idea of where you could never see yourself no matter what, IMO.
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02-23-2007, 10:10 PM
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As long as it's after groups cut the majority of the people they aren't seriously interested in, I think it could work. It's just tricky because a lot of us believe that there should be an incentive to encourage PNMs to give the chapters that didn't first wow them a second or third chance. It's important that they have a chance to go back after their dream groups cut them.
Although many girls get bids from the first choice of the groups on the bid card, I think it's a much tinier group that get bids from the group they picked as number one after 1st round. If we let the PNMs cut group too early and if we don't have an incentive for them to keep their eyes open, it increases the chance that they won't join at all.
Sometimes I do wonder what it would be like to have a system like the guys do: as long as you're happy with the numbers and your national group thinks you're healthy, there doesn't seem to be pressure to take a certain number of people. At every campus, there are well regarded guys' chapters of different sizes. But in the traditional NPC recruitment, quota, chapter total system, to be more than maybe 10-15% smaller than the biggest chapter often makes the chapter suspect.
(You know how guys can kind of give out bids any time and they aren't limited in number? Do you think that if women's groups did that some women would forever stalk certain chapters?)
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02-24-2007, 01:47 AM
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As long as it's after groups cut the majority of the people they aren't seriously interested in, I think it could work. It's just tricky because a lot of us believe that there should be an incentive to encourage PNMs to give the chapters that didn't first wow them a second or third chance. It's important that they have a chance to go back after their dream groups cut them.
Although many girls get bids from the first choice of the groups on the bid card, I think it's a much tinier group that get bids from the group they picked as number one after 1st round. If we let the PNMs cut group too early and if we don't have an incentive for them to keep their eyes open, it increases the chance that they won't join at all.
Sometimes I do wonder what it would be like to have a system like the guys do: as long as you're happy with the numbers and your national group thinks you're healthy, there doesn't seem to be pressure to take a certain number of people. At every campus, there are well regarded guys' chapters of different sizes. But in the traditional NPC recruitment, quota, chapter total system, to be more than maybe 10-15% smaller than the biggest chapter often makes the chapter suspect.
(You know how guys can kind of give out bids any time and they aren't limited in number? Do you think that if women's groups did that some women would forever stalk certain chapters?)
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I hate the whole #'s thing, I really do. While I understand it, I hate that there is pressure to have X number of girls. I rather have a smaller group that was closer and super strong then have a large group that barely knew anyone.
Like I said, maybe if they didn't make it mandatory for Pref and the round before Pref (depending on the # of rounds) I'd be able to agree with it more.
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02-24-2007, 10:19 AM
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If each chapter can only give out 16 bids, what if they give them all to the same girls? Are the other PNMs just out of luck? That's not fair to the women who made it to pref but weren't at the very top of the list. I know mutual selection is a flawed process, but it's the most fair thing we've got for now.
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02-26-2007, 12:01 AM
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(You know how guys can kind of give out bids any time and they aren't limited in number? Do you think that if women's groups did that some women would forever stalk certain chapters?)
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YES.
Sometimes they even try to join other orgs that the members are in. (insert barf icon)
That's why no matter how far you are under total, it's never good to totally show your hand and have open bid parties week in and week out - because sooner or later, you WILL have Nutbag Nora show up saying "well hey, you need girls, what about me?" and you'll have to explain to her that although "sane" is not expressly listed in your membership requirements, it is implied.
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02-26-2007, 12:11 AM
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YES.
because sooner or later, you WILL have Nutbag Nora show up saying "well hey, you need girls, what about me?" and you'll have to explain to her that although "sane" is not expressly listed in your membership requirements, it is implied.
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the bolded part had me ROTFL!!!!!!
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02-28-2007, 02:55 PM
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Omg, ASUADPi, I love you for having POTC quotes. And yes, the sane part was freaking hilarious!!
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