Justice in America

DSTCHAOS · #1 01-31-2007, 01:53 AM

It's the sentencing differential that's the real point people around the country are making, not whether or not both whites and blacks are arrested and sentenced for statutory rape. Of course, many of us know firsthand that race can also factor into whether or not someone is accused and reported for forcible rape and statutory rape--but that's not the topic.

The issue with Wilson (what starang21 posted) may just be GA's archaic statutory rape law--which was later altered to not include oral sex but that doesn't help Wilson because it isn't retroactive. Are they telling us there was no other alternative than to declare him a child molestor?

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Facing up to 15 years in prison, Dan decides to take a plea bargain. He agrees to plead guilty to conspiracy to contribute to the delinquency of a minor, and is sentenced to four and a half months in prison, two years probation and 200 hours of community service. His three friends pled guilty to a lesser charge: But two of them admitted in their plea to getting no "expressions of consent" from the girls.

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He's 20 now. Just two years into a 10-year sentence without possibility of parole, he peers through the thick glass and bars, trying to catch a glimpse of freedom. Outside, guard towers and rolls of coiled barbed wire remind him of who he is...Wilson refused to admit to being a child molester. If he pled to or was convicted of any charge that put him on the sex offender registry, he couldn't live at home with his younger sister. He wouldn't accept that, so he waited for his trial...Two charges already had been dropped, and it was clear from the first witness that the rape charge wouldn't stick either. The aggravated child molestation, though, was on tape....He looked at the forewoman. She was crying, seeming to understand they'd just undone a promising future. Indeed, when the jurors found out there was a 10-year mandatory minimum sentence, several were incensed. The prosecution told them to write a letter, then moved on to the next case.

James · #2 01-31-2007, 02:05 AM

Frankly. I don't think they (prosecutors, judges, and legislators) really care.

And thats a truly awful thing.

Because there is nothing special about the guy in jail. He is not some horrible person. That could have happened, or could happen, to any of us . .

And that is truly terrifying.

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

It's the sentencing differential that's the real point people around the country are making, not whether or not both whites and blacks are arrested and sentenced for statutory rape. Of course, many of us know firsthand that race can also factor into whether or not someone is accused and reported for forcible rape and statutory rape--but that's not the topic.

The issue with Wilson (what starang21 posted) may just be GA's archaic statutory rape law--which was later altered to not include oral sex but that doesn't help Wilson because it isn't retroactive. Are they telling us there was no other alternative than to declare him a child molestor?

Kevin · #3 01-31-2007, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by James

Because there is nothing special about the guy in jail. He is not some horrible person. That could have happened, or could happen, to any of us . .

And that is truly terrifying.

I agree. If you were to survey all males who while in high school had sex with a girl as young as 15 while being 17, you'd end up with at least a 1:10 result (maybe higher?).

You're absolutely right -- whenever we try to legislate morality, such absurd results are often produced.

starang21 · #4 01-31-2007, 08:54 AM

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I agree. If you were to survey all males who while in high school had sex with a girl as young as 15 while being 17, you'd end up with at least a 1:10 result (maybe higher?).

You're absolutely right -- whenever we try to legislate morality, such absurd results are often produced.

more like 1/5.

KSigkid · #5 01-31-2007, 09:32 AM

It was my feeling that some states have started changing their definitions of statutory rape, but I could be wrong. In CT, the penal code says that the person has to be between 13-16, and the other party is more than two years older; however, there is a distinction made for people "in authority," whether in a professional, academic or volunteer capacity.

There are a lot of stories like this that don't get attention, and it's awful that this guy has this on his record now.

DSTCHAOS · #6 01-31-2007, 12:28 PM

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That could have happened, or could happen, to any of us . .

No.

Still BLUTANG · #7 01-31-2007, 01:37 PM

am i the only one who thinks the parents need some sort of reprimand? No one here is innocent.

shinerbock · #8 01-31-2007, 01:43 PM

Parents are the key to most things like this.

macallan25 · #9 01-31-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

No.

Why?

DSTCHAOS · #10 01-31-2007, 03:00 PM

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Why?

The law isn't equally applied. There is no perfect judicial system that goes strictly by the sentencing guidelines with no leeway given based on extralegal factors (Max Weber would call such a perfect system "formal rational"). Instead, we still have a degree of prosecutorial and judicial discretion for most cases. This allows for extralegal factors like social class, age, gender, and race to reduce the potential for this to happen to "any of us."

KSigkid · #11 01-31-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

The law isn't equally applied. There is no perfect judicial system that goes strictly by the sentencing guidelines with no leeway given based on extralegal factors (Max Weber would call such a perfect system "formal rational"). Instead, we still have a degree of prosecutorial and judicial discretion for most cases. This allows for extralegal factors like social class, age, gender, and race to reduce the potential for this to happen to "any of us."

True, and unfortunately, even when they tried sentencing guidelines, it turned out to be a failure (federal sentencing guidelines which turned out to be a mess).

DSTCHAOS · #12 01-31-2007, 03:08 PM

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True, and unfortunately, even when they tried sentencing guidelines, it turned out to be a failure (federal sentencing guidelines which turned out to be a mess).

Definitely. There's a ton of research on sentencing guidelines and the pros and cons of them.

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So on one hand there's a need to consider extralegal factors, for example, society doesn't want tons of primary caregivers removed from the home. On the other hand there's a tendency for these extralegal factors to be used as a bias, such as women who serve as drug mules being used as the "fall guy" for general deterrence.

Has a caveman PM'd you about your signature yet?

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