2 Black NFL Head Coaches to Superbowl XLI!!!

[shinerbock]

I assume you mean the first minority owned soccer team?

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I assume you mean the first minority owned soccer team?

Yes. It happened in soccer a lot faster than in the "major" sports.

Actually, I've met and talked with Bob Johnson and gave him a tour of the old TCI Digital TV Center.

The point, I think, is that major league sports took decades before any real progress was made toward minority ownership.

At least that's my opinion, which I believe history will confirm.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

The point, I think, is that major league sports took decades before any real progress was made toward minority ownership.

At least that's my opinion, which I believe history will confirm.

You're really completely messing up the causation/correlation link here.

The real issue is societal - that a very small percentage of those rich enough to purchase a sports franchise (valued in the hundreds of millions of dollars) are minorities.

It's not that rich white guys are choosing not to sell the teams to rich black guys - I don't think there's any evidence of this at all. This is completely different from coaching opportunities - there is no such monetary barrier.

This means while there are probably still racial issues at play, it's a matter of scale - one is a societal issue of wealth distribution, while the other is much more direct (hiring practices).

It's nonsense to lump them together, which is what shinerbock and Macallan are saying (I think) - it's just not a similar comparison, although it sounds pretty to throw them together. One is simply not the same as the other . . . no matter what your "opinion" may be - that's not an 'out' to lack of logic.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

You're really completely messing up the causation/correlation link here.

The real issue is societal - that a very small percentage of those rich enough to purchase a sports franchise (valued in the hundreds of millions of dollars) are minorities.

It's not that rich white guys are choosing not to sell the teams to rich black guys - I don't think there's any evidence of this at all. This is completely different from coaching opportunities - there is no such monetary barrier.

This means while there are probably still racial issues at play, it's a matter of scale - one is a societal issue of wealth distribution, while the other is much more direct (hiring practices).

Right. Wealth distribution and unequal access to opportunities are the biggest factors.

The racial inequality occurs further down the line so that a very small % of minorities get past the glass ceilings and opportunity hoarding, on the part of white males, in order to compete in the franchise game.

This discussion initially was not about team ownership, which is a different beast altogether, but about head coaching. You don't need to discuss the full extent of wealth distribution to discuss head coaching.

Of course if you discuss outliers such as team ownership you will be unable to make a more substantive correlation.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Right. Wealth distribution and unequal access to opportunities are the biggest factors.

The racial inequality occurs further down the line so that a very small % of minorities get past the glass ceilings and opportunity hoarding, on the part of white males, in order to compete in the franchise game.

This discussion initially was not about team ownership, which is a different beast altogether, but about head coaching. You don't need to discuss the full extent of wealth distribution to discuss head coaching.

Of course if you discuss outliers such as team ownership you will be unable to make a more substantive correlation.

Agree completely.