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Old 01-24-2007, 01:52 PM
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The clapping is stupid. I heard on the news that pundits, etc. are measuring the effectiveness of the speech by how hard people clap and where they clap. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

And I'd say the same whether it was a dem or a republican. The clapping, and all the signifigance accorded to it, irks me.

Usually what the pundits are referring to are control groups of citizens brought together by political operatives to watch the SOTU or other political type events. They measure (often with a response meter held by the control group participants) the like/dislike responses of control groups participants. Operatives do the same with candidates' stump speeches, testing them on groups and using the most liked lines-topics as the basis for future campaign ads and such.

The clapping at the State of the Union is just political posturing and stagecraft. ...or maybe they do it to stay awake.
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Old 01-24-2007, 02:17 PM
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The clapping at the State of the Union is just political posturing and stagecraft. ...or maybe they do it to stay awake.
This makes all kinds of sense...especially the latter half.
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Old 01-24-2007, 02:50 PM
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OK, I just read his address so thank goodness I missed all the grandstanding. But based on what I read I don't think he address what the American public wanted to hear. Great ideas in regards to the fight against AIDS, NCLBA (although I do think that it still needs some major work - children should be thought to think critically, not to simply memorize info in order to get a particular test score, but digress), even immigration reform. But the main hot button is the war - which the majority of american (regardless if you Dem/Repub/liberal/conservative) has grown remarkably tired of it. It matters not how much he wants to grow our military forces, if there are no volunteers who are willing to take up the challenge?

I think if the Republicans are going to have even a remote chance in 2008, they are going to have to either (a) some SERIOUS butt kissing to the more moderate voting base (b) more vocally publically distance themselves from Pred. Bush's initiatives with his current Iraq stratefy being one of them or (c) pull a SUPER candidate out of a hat that will overshadow our current presidnent's damage and alienation to current republican party memebers.

Long time groups which at one point was considered a "shoe-in" for Republicans (ex. evangelicals) have grown tired. Not to mention the fact that you now have more candidates of other parties (especially the Democrats) touting themselves as "evangelical friendly" (ex Bob Casey of Penn). Its almost like the Democrats have found this niche and are taking advantage of the opportunity and the Repubs are just basically sitting back and letting it happen. Well I take that back - Sen Brownback has been publically critical of our President so maybe some Repubs are S-L-O-W-L-Y starting to catch on that for a victory in 2008, its going to take more than the old school party line tactics that were used in days gone by.

Just my 2 cents....
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Old 01-24-2007, 03:00 PM
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You may be right about the SOTU, but I'm not sure you're close regarding 2008. Just because people are tired of Bush doesn't mean they'll vote for a Democrat for President. Currently, the dems don't have a candidate who can take on the RNC big guys. Granted, things will change as the country starts hearing from them, but I don't think Bush will have as much an impact on 2008 as people think. All three of the Republican front runners are quite different from Bush on many levels, and that'll be apparent as the campaign goes on. Despite the mid-terms, American's are still default republicans right now because the DNC is so bad at politics. I think its gonna be Democratic candidate who has to sway the middle, not the other way around. It'll be fun.

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Old 01-24-2007, 04:39 PM
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Old 01-24-2007, 04:45 PM
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Old 01-24-2007, 04:52 PM
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Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear your president mention anything about helping to develope New Orleans and helping those that were in the hurricane. It doesn't appear to me that New Orleans is on the list of priorities.
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