Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You must have missed the part where the Democrats voted for the war. From reading your post, this doesn't surprise me. You don't really seem like the kind of person who is really keyed into what happens in the world of government. Why would you be? After all, you could just do what you're doing now, regurgitating talking points regarding things you know nothing about. Yeah, thats a much simpler alternative.

I guess you missed the part where the White House AND the Congress were controlled by the GOP over the last 6 years. Hopefully there is more of a check and balance now.

As far as the kind of person I am, you will never know. I don't put myself out on Front St like some people....


BTW, I guess my insight into the fact that WMD never existed in Iraq the minute the words left GWB's mouth makes me out of tune with the world. Considering I was right on the money....

[shinerbock]

Mccoy, the GOP did control, but that has zero relevance when talking about how democrats also supported the war.

WMD existed in Iraq. Fact. Ask the Kurds.

[BlessedOne04]

I personally cannot wait until Barak announces what he is going to do. I may have to make a trip to Springfield to see that for myself!

[Lady of Pearl]

I am pleased to see Obama running and already the onslaughts and naysayers have come to the forefront, if not him to win the Presidency then at least a DEMOCRAT.We have had enough of the Republican agenda with its uncaring economic and international policies, and the atrocities of soldiers being killed in Iraq.

[Steeltrap]

Thursday, Feb. 08, 2007
The New Black Nativism
By Orlando Patterson

To the surprise of many whites and dismay of his supporters, Barack Obama trailed Hillary Clinton among black Americans by a 40-point margin in a recent Washington Post-ABC poll. It is possible to read this as a positive development: black Americans have transcended racial politics and may now vote for the person they consider the better candidate, regardless of race. The sad truth, however, is that Obama is being rejected because many black Americans don't consider him one of their own and may even feel threatened by what he embodies.

So just what is the nature of black American identity today? Historically, the defining characteristic has been any person born in America who is of African ancestry, however remote. This is the infamous one-drop rule, invented and imposed by white racists until the middle of the 20th century. As with so many other areas of ethno-racial relations, African Americans turned this racist doctrine to their own ends. What to racist whites was a stain of impurity became a badge of pride. More significantly, what for whites was a means of exclusion was transformed by blacks into a glorious principle of inclusion. The absurdity of defining someone as black who to all appearances was white was turned on its head by blacks who used the one-drop rule to enlarge both the black group and its leadership with light-skinned persons who, elsewhere in the Americas, would never dream of identifying with blacks.

Black identity was historically progressive in another important respect: from very early in the 19th century through the civil rights movement, it was strikingly cosmopolitan. Black leaders took a deep interest in oppressed peoples throughout the world. The Pan-African movement and early black nationalism were part of emerging notions of black solidarity. Blacks took deep pride in the Haitian revolution, and black American missionaries played an important role in the Christianization of Jamaican and other West Indian blacks. Black Americans were also open to the inspiration of black immigrants: W.E.B. DuBois's father was Haitian; James Weldon Johnson's mother, Bahamian. One of the first mass movements of African Americans was led by a Jamaican, Marcus Garvey, in the '20s. An impressive number of black leaders and civil rights icons--Stokely Carmichael, Malcolm X, Shirley Chisholm, Louis Farrakhan, Harry Belafonte, Sidney Poitier, to list a few--were all first- or second-generation immigrants. Before them, West Indian leaders paved the way toward involvement with city politics, especially in New York. And this cosmopolitanism extended also to non-African peoples; Martin Luther King's engagement with Mahatma Gandhi is the most famous example. Like so many other West Indians, I have personally experienced this remarkable inclusiveness in the traditional practice of black identity. Becoming a black American meant simply declaring oneself to be one and engaging in their public and private life, into which I was always welcomed.

In recent years, however, this tradition has been eroded by a thickened form of black identity that, sadly, mirrors some of the worst aspects of American white identity and racism. A streak of nativism rears its ugly head. To be black American, in this view, one's ancestors must have been not simply slaves but American slaves. Furthermore, directly mirroring the traditional definition of whiteness as not being black is the growing tendency to define blackness in negative terms--it is to be not white in upbringing, kinship or manner, to be too not at ease in the intimate ways of white Americans.

Barack is married to a black woman, has spent years doing community work in the ghettos and is by lineage certainly more African than most African Americans. But black America's view of him is clouded by the facts that he is the son of an immigrant and that he was brought up mainly by middle-class whites whose culture is second nature to him. Although the Congressional Black Caucus, still strongly influenced by the civil rights generation, remains surprisingly liberal on immigration issues, the black middle class appears to harbor a hardening anti-immigrant sentiment--a Pew poll last year found that 54% of blacks see immigrants as a burden. More disturbing, however, is what that sentiment reveals about a growing pattern of self-segregation among the black middle class, many of whom, like the residents of Prince George's County, Md., seem to have largely given up on school and social integration.

This is tragic, for like all other once excluded groups before them, black Americans are in need of the social and cultural capital that comes from living with and in the white majority, the value of which is nowhere more powerfully demonstrated than in the enormous achievement and potential of Barack Obama.

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[TonyB06]

interesting article, ST. Truthfully, I don't think many AfAms, like many white people, have really focused in yet on the race and its participants. I think most of the reaction or "buzz" is based on the free media wave Obama's been riding to this point.

There will be those who --rightfully so -- don't give Obama a pass because he's AfAm. I think it reaffirms the political sophistication that's always been in our community, regardless of popular media convention.

Obama's policy positions vis-a-vie health care, education, housing, economic policy will make Black America (an ever expanding and diverse collection) take notice of whether he truly has AfAm interests at heart. American politics being what it is, I think he'll probably grade out somewhere slightly left of moderate, which will likely garner him huge AfAm support.

...does that make him "palatable enough" to other minority communities and the majority community? who knows? I think it'll take a few more election cycles before the coalition politics you always hear about actually become a force sufficient enough to tip an election.

....now if you've read all of this thread so far PLEASE REGISTER SO YOU CAN VOTE.

[AKA2D '91]

Democratic Presidential Forum: June 28, 2007
Howard University
Televised: PBS


http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site....americandebate

[Sugar08]

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

Democratic Presidential Forum: June 28, 2007
Howard University
Televised: PBS


http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site....americandebate

Oh wow, I may have to make a trip down to the Alma Mater for that!

[AKA2D '91]

Uhhh, I forgot. 3o minutes to go, on PBS.


If I wasn't on vacation, I could have reminded those interested. I'm SURE Tavis discussed this on TJMS. I haven't listened to AM talk in nearly a month.

[AKA2D '91]

Predictions for the Dems?
Clinton, Obama, and Edwards are running closely.

The news channels are reporting the MH from Arkansas has won this caucus.

[Ten/Four]

I'm so happy and proud that Obama won last night. And his speech afterwards was on point.

I wonder how Hilary's campaign will react since she came in a close third behind Edwards?

This is only my thrid Presidental election, and I'm hyped. I can't wait for our primary.

[NinjaPoodle]

Originally Posted by Ten/Four

I'm so happy and proud that Obama won last night. And his speech afterwards was on point.

I am too

[Ten/Four]

Originally Posted by Sugar08

Oh wow, I may have to make a trip down to the Alma Mater for that!

I was there for the Obama rally, which was great. He stopped by and talked with the supporters. I saw Marc Morial while I was walking back to my car. He is so sexy in person.

[TonyB06]

ttt

thoughts, opinions on the race so far?

[WenD08]

i am very hopeful about next year. the Democratic slate is a good one. as an aside, it's nice to be in a really Blue state in a Blue region
regarding the other side, it's interesting to see how the Repubs are (not) embracing their candidates. talk of a 3rd party of Christian-Right GOP defectors is interesting to watch. as someone who loves politics, this will be a great year-plus to watch.
the downside, these debates are a bit much...there've been a ton of them and it's only October, 2007