FDA poised to OK food from cloned animals

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Can someone explain why cloning would be a more cost effective way of production then breeding?? It's not like in the cartoons where you put a full grown cow in the cloning machine and another full grown cow comes out, ready for slaughter. You still have to raise the thing from a baby calf, so what's the difference if that calf is cloned or if Bessie got her freak on with the steer next door? Why not let Bessie have her fun?

So there are several reasons why "cloning" is more cost effective of some kinds of production for foods:

Let's take your example of a cow. Calves take too long to wean. Unless you want veal, you MUST leave the calf with the mother.

As I understand it, it takes ~200+ days to have a calf or 10-11 months depend on size. Some strains of bovine do not breed as sucessfully as mixed breed.

Most mixed breed do not produce enough milk or quality of meat--i.e. too tough, etc.

Breeding takes too long. Sometime the stud doesn't impregnate the females. Sometimes he doesn't know where to put it. So, do you want to wait for production? Knowing the U.S. population's desire for a good steak or tenderloin?

Well, with molecular genetics the scientists, vets, physicians, big pharma, corporations, just move evolution a little faster than normal time...

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

So there are several reasons why "cloning" is more cost effective of some kinds of production for foods:

Let's take your example of a cow. Calves take too long to wean. Unless you want veal, you MUST leave the calf with the mother.

As I understand it, it takes ~200+ days to have a calf or 10-11 months depend on size. Some strains of bovine do not breed as sucessfully as mixed breed.

Most mixed breed do not produce enough milk or quality of meat--i.e. too tough, etc.

Breeding takes too long. Sometime the stud doesn't impregnate the females. Sometimes he doesn't know where to put it. So, do you want to wait for production? Knowing the U.S. population's desire for a good steak or tenderloin?

Well, with molecular genetics the scientists, vets, physicians, big pharma, corporations, just move evolution a little faster than normal time...

Um, so you know, clones are born just like normal calves and must grow up, get weaned, etc. They don't spring fully grown from a petri dish.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Um, so you know, clones are born just like normal calves and must grow up, get weaned, etc. They don't spring fully grown from a petri dish.

Considering that AKA_Monet has a PhD in the sciences (biochemistry?) I SERIOUSLY doubt that she needs you to explain to her that clones "don't spring fully grown from a petri dish".

I'm fully convinced that 90% of the active posters on GC do it solely to see their words on the screen. I really really hope you people don't actually believe in the crap that you post. If you do, then I'm genuinely concerned.....

[Tom Earp]

Interesting to finally find out that Asprin is not a pain killer but a blood thinner only! WOW!

They why do people take asprin for pain and have for years before the new biggies came out.

What is amazing about the FDA is thier willingness to allow drugs and other products on the market. The FDA is one of the most inept Agencies in Our Govt.

What I love are Ads that tout certain medecations for certain things and then list what the hell they can do to the human body if you take them.

During the American Revolution troops were given rum to settle their nerves instead of drugs.

Interesting isn't it?

Which would you rather have?

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

Considering that AKA_Monet has a PhD in the sciences (biochemistry?) I SERIOUSLY doubt that she needs you to explain to her that clones "don't spring fully grown from a petri dish".

I'm fully convinced that 90% of the active posters on GC do it solely to see their words on the screen. I really really hope you people don't actually believe in the crap that you post. If you do, then I'm genuinely concerned.....

Actually, Drole is correct. The cloned animals don't spring fully grown from a petri dish.

The way it is done is to transplant a nuceus from a cell from one animal into the enucleated egg of another. The nucleus-egg combination is then fused together with electricity. The electricity also stimulates cell division. The divided cell is placed into the uterus of the female. The animal grows in the uterus and is born as a baby animal.

Unfortunately, the obviously fictional movie, "The Island" has made people think mammal clones are produced fully developed. They are not.

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

I'm fully convinced that 90% of the active posters on GC do it solely to see their words on the screen. I really really hope you people don't actually believe in the crap that you post. If you do, then I'm genuinely concerned.....

Best post in this entire thread.

[Drolefille]

While I have no personal knowledge of AKAMonet's educational background, I was simply responding to what I read in her post. She may indeed have just posted that for no other reason than to see the words on the screen, but those words are all I can reply to.

[jubilance1922]

Because this needs to be reposted...

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

I'm fully convinced that 90% of the active posters on GC do it solely to see their words on the screen. I really really hope you people don't actually believe in the crap that you post. If you do, then I'm genuinely concerned.....